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    Are we tougher than the average dude?

    Yesterday morning I posted a thread about my annual physical, and I titled it:
    White Coat Syndrome, even for a cyclist.

    I talked about my great checkup, except for the fact that my BP was too high. But, like many, my doctor and I suspect I have WCS....fear of the doc's office that gives a false elevation.

    BF member 'nother responded to the post with this:

    I don't get the "even for a cyclist" part. What part of being a cyclist should magically grant automatic immunity against White Coat Syndrome?

    Well, that got me to thinking....
    Why DID I write it that way in the title of the post?

    My best-guess answer could make for a little discussion here in this thread.

    I think I did it because somehow, deep down inside, I figure that we're a tougher lot than the average guy out there, what with road rash and broken bones and all.

    And Lord knows I've paid my dues in six seasons of cycling AFTER total hip replacement surgery. Road rash...broken wrist...half a front tooth knocked out...I'm pretty toughened by the sport, but I'm still a nervous heap in the doctor's office giving blood.

    Are we as cyclists tougher?
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    I am WAY tougher than the average dude. And myself AND the average dude know it.

    They can smell how awesome I am when I just walk by in the store.

    Yes, I think we are physically and mentally tougher than most people. Especially us climbers.

    *EDIT: Yeah, weight lifters feel the burn for 45 minutes and some people go to the gym and do a whole hour of cardio. Who among them suffers in the saddle for 5-6 hours for fun?
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    Nope. We're using more of our genetic potential than the average guy, but 'tougher' no. Which is why we're sometime surprised when people off the street with only months of training in a physical activity similar to ours, begin to outperform us in spite of our years of training, whether running or biking. Which is why that huge person on the street may actually have greater heart and lung capacity than us, plus the ability to endure greater suffering in life or on a bike, just happenned to abuse self or just not contain themselves, and put on the extra 50 or so pounds.

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    Hip, YOU are tougher than the average dude, but toughness is a person by person thing, not applicable to groups of people in general.
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    I am firmly convinced that, unless one is substantially physically weak from slothfulness, 'toughness' is 95% mental. By that I mean, two people of identical physical strength will always have one who is superior because of his 'intestinal fortitude'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hipcycler
    Yesterday morning I posted a thread about my annual physical, and I titled it:
    White Coat Syndrome, even for a cyclist.

    I talked about my great checkup, except for the fact that my BP was too high. But, like many, my doctor and I suspect I have WCS....fear of the doc's office that gives a false elevation.

    BF member 'nother responded to the post with this:

    I don't get the "even for a cyclist" part. What part of being a cyclist should magically grant automatic immunity against White Coat Syndrome?

    Well, that got me to thinking....
    Why DID I write it that way in the title of the post?

    My best-guess answer could make for a little discussion here in this thread.

    I think I did it because somehow, deep down inside, I figure that we're a tougher lot than the average guy out there, what with road rash and broken bones and all.

    And Lord knows I've paid my dues in six seasons of cycling AFTER total hip replacement surgery. Road rash...broken wrist...half a front tooth knocked out...I'm pretty toughened by the sport, but I'm still a nervous heap in the doctor's office giving blood.

    Are we as cyclists tougher?
    Road rash hurts....I do my best to avoid it....not embrace it and use it as a sign of my toughness.

    I'd rather be good enough to not crash than tough enough to take it any day.

    No...I personally don't think cyclists are any tougher than any other athletic type person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bockman
    I am firmly convinced that, unless one is substantially physically weak from slothfulness, 'toughness' is 95% mental. By that I mean, two people of identical physical strength will always have one who is superior because of his 'intestinal fortitude'.
    I agree. It's all in the mind and what you are determined that you can accomplish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyv22
    They can smell how awesome I am when I just walk by in the store.
    I hope you just forgot to add the sarcasm icon.
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    I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tough. Are we tougher because we fall and hurt ourselves but keep cycling? IMO, most people would do the same for something they love to do. Are we tough because we accept the dangers that come with cycling and do it anyway? But then what about people that drive cars...are they tough too?

    I mean, I guess you could say that we're more stubborn than the average person. We'll endure stupid amounts of pain just to get to the top of a climb a little faster, and then we'll come back for more the next day. Maybe being tough is a byproduct of being stubborn? But then, doesn't that trivialize toughness?
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    ha ha, well as the one apparently inspiring this thread I have to say, 'no', there's nothing about simply being a cyclist that makes one tougher than the average dude. Sure *some* cyclists are. But, some florists probably are, too. It's got nothing to do with what you do, it's who you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bockman
    I am firmly convinced that, unless one is substantially physically weak from slothfulness, 'toughness' is 95% mental. By that I mean, two people of identical physical strength will always have one who is superior because of his 'intestinal fortitude'.
    I'll agree again

    The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right. Which one are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strong Bad
    I hope you just forgot to add the sarcasm icon.
    I don't use the sarcasm icon. The point of sarcasm and irony is that they are only funny when they are not explained.

    Of course, I am being sarcastic. I do consider myself tougher than most moderatly succesful, fat lazy Americans, but not to that extreme degree.
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    Tougher???-I don't know

    Crazier??? Most likely.

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    I believe it is more of a focused mental and positive attitude enforced with discipline of not quitting or giving up
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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyv22
    I don't use the sarcasm icon. The point of sarcasm and irony is that they are only funny when they are not explained.

    Of course, I am being sarcastic. I do consider myself tougher than most moderatly succesful, fat lazy Americans, but not to that extreme degree.
    But we can smell you a mile away too.
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    The point of sarcasm and irony is that they are only funny when they are not explained.
    ^I agree, it's just that sometimes the tone of a statement gets lost in the written text.

    I think in racing, A person can do well, even when they are not physically strongest, if they can go deeper into pain and suffering than other riders. I train, not just to get stronger but also to get tougher. Training to endure pain and pushing yourself into it on a regular basis takes toughness. Not all riders have it. I've seen some talented guys with high V02's that crack when race time hits.
    In the end, a rider that trains on a regular basis is probably much tougher than your average joe, but there are other tough people out there training for other sports too. (well, except for golf, bowling, poker...)
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    runners are much tougher




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    I used to think I was a tough guy, then I witnessed my wife carry to term and give birth on 3 separate occasions, one of which almost took her life, she then up and raised (is raising) this family while running her small but successfull business from home....... nah, I ain't all that tough after all.
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    I think a rugby player may beat us out. I think every sport has it's hard points and while I can't run a 4 sec. 40 I am sure the quickest NFL receiver would not be able to keep up with me climbing Mt. Pisgah either. Your good in your element and then no more so.
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    Why do you hate the 'average dude'?

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    being tougher than avarage means you have more will power then average to keep going even though you are suffering, it doesnt mean you are tougher physically to get back on your bike after you broke some bones, it means you have the will power to not give up on something that means something to you.

    Same applies in all situations in life, parents who have the courage to go through thier child suffering from terminal cancer and never give up could teach me a thing or two about being tough.

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    Tougher for what? I am probably less tough than average in terms of enduring pain, but tougher than many to stand 8 - 10 hrs on the bicycle in a hot day. Also, I can endure many hours, probably a lot more than the average person, without food or water, but not without sleep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer02
    Road rash hurts....I do my best to avoid it....not embrace it and use it as a sign of my toughness.

    I'd rather be good enough to not crash than tough enough to take it any day.

    No...I personally don't think cyclists are any tougher than any other athletic type person.

    Heres to speed and grace. Haven't done a dirt dive at speed for a long long time.

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    i can definately hold my breath longer than the average dude.... and really, what says "i'm tougher than you" than a breath holding contest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianappleby
    i can definately hold my breath longer than the average dude.... and really, what says "i'm tougher than you" than a breath holding contest?
    ...a drinking contest....







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