If $$ was no problem? What would you do?
01-24-07, 12:48 PM
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If $$ was no problem? What would you do?
Okay............money no object here for a wheel build. What hub and wheelset would you go with and keep it so they will be stiff yet light in the end.
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Lightweight Standards. No question. (I'm a big boy so I'd probably go with 16 or 20 spokes up front)
Just to review...
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Lightweight Obermayers. No question.
01-24-07, 12:56 PM
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^^ I had to change my answer when I remembered the Obermayers only come in a 12-spoke front. 
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Originally Posted by bbp
Obvious answer is Lightweights.
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Originally Posted by msheron
Looks like they use fiber spokes like Spinergy? Is this true. I have enjoyed my Spinergy Xaero Lites greatly.....
Originally Posted by competitive cyclist
The razor-thin carbon/Kevlar spokes themselves don't thread or lock or otherwise interface with rim and hub in a conventional sense. Rather, the carbon of the rim and hub seamlessly meld into the carbon/Kevlar weave of the spoke. Since the spokes are at one with the rim and hub they can't loosen. And since the spoke tension is always constant, the wheels never come out of true. This supreme strength at the traditional weak point of other wheels reveals the greatest virtues of Lightweight: durability and stiffness. This was illustrated to us quite clearly at Interbike when the folks from Lightweight handed us one half of a front wheel cut completely across its diameter. They asked us to try to bend it with all of our might. In an incredible display of the stoutness of the wheel, it didn't deflect even one mm.
Each Lightweight spoke can hold up to 2500 lbs. without a significant increase in length. Due to this enormous strength Lightweight can build the wheels with much higher preload than ordinary wire spokes which lengthen greatly under load. This is yet another reason behind Lightweight's awesome stiffness. Even Lightweight's 12-spoke front wheel at only 460g is stiffer than a conventional 32-spoke wheel.
Each Lightweight spoke can hold up to 2500 lbs. without a significant increase in length. Due to this enormous strength Lightweight can build the wheels with much higher preload than ordinary wire spokes which lengthen greatly under load. This is yet another reason behind Lightweight's awesome stiffness. Even Lightweight's 12-spoke front wheel at only 460g is stiffer than a conventional 32-spoke wheel.
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Originally Posted by msheron
Looks like they use fiber spokes like Spinergy? Is this true. I have enjoyed my Spinergy Xaero Lites greatly.....
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
Those spokes look identical to Topolino spokes which are a combination of CF and kevlar. Also notice how they are tied together where they cross. Similar to Topolino. I have often wondered why one or the other has not questioned patent infrigement. Of course, the Lightweights are WAY more expnesive and maybe they each just thought - different market who cares.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Totally different design/build between the two. See the above quote about the LW's.
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Originally Posted by RockyMtnMerlin
Yes I noted that in my edited post. Yet there have been patent infringement suits over individual components of a product before.
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I really like maintenance free and robust to attach from the harshness of real world road riding, so
Hubs: White Industries LTA
Spokes: something light and aero
Rims: Maybe a Zipp Pave clincher with 20/24 or even 24/28 lacing
Not uber-light, but aero and sturdy.
If money were truely no object, then a dozen sets of the lightest aero tubulars you can find and a SAG to follow me around for when they break or flat.
Hubs: White Industries LTA
Spokes: something light and aero
Rims: Maybe a Zipp Pave clincher with 20/24 or even 24/28 lacing
Not uber-light, but aero and sturdy.
If money were truely no object, then a dozen sets of the lightest aero tubulars you can find and a SAG to follow me around for when they break or flat.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
oops. Sorry.
, I would have saved you the trouble.
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01-24-07, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by msheron
Okay............money no object here for a wheel build. What hub and wheelset would you go with and keep it so they will be stiff yet light in the end.
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I guess my question to the Lightweight folks is why? I'm not questioning your judgment. I'm asking by what criteria do you judge a wheel?
From what I've read, the very basic wheel conclusions are 1) clinchers beat out tubulars for rolling resistance, and 2) aerodynamics trumps weight. 3) Wheel strength is more a safety concern than an efficiency or speed concern. 4) Deep aero rims are aerodynamic. 5) Spoke covered wheels are very aerodynamic and light. 6) Disk wheels tend to be very aerodynamic and a bit heavyish.
I've never read anything that showed one hub was better than another by any real criteria such as rolling resistance. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I know I haven't read everything.
Imagine if you were sitting on $10 million. You wouldn't be for long if you practiced poor buying behavior. Maybe I'm taking the whole premise the wrong way? If I had $10,000 to spend on wheels I would try to get the best performing wheels for my size and abilities, not what was most expensive.
From what I've read, the very basic wheel conclusions are 1) clinchers beat out tubulars for rolling resistance, and 2) aerodynamics trumps weight. 3) Wheel strength is more a safety concern than an efficiency or speed concern. 4) Deep aero rims are aerodynamic. 5) Spoke covered wheels are very aerodynamic and light. 6) Disk wheels tend to be very aerodynamic and a bit heavyish.
I've never read anything that showed one hub was better than another by any real criteria such as rolling resistance. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I know I haven't read everything.
Imagine if you were sitting on $10 million. You wouldn't be for long if you practiced poor buying behavior. Maybe I'm taking the whole premise the wrong way? If I had $10,000 to spend on wheels I would try to get the best performing wheels for my size and abilities, not what was most expensive.
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Money isn't a problem for me when it comes to bike stuff, personal values are the problem. There is no way I could ever drop $5Gs on a pair of wheels - there are too many other choices that are just as cool and since no wheel is going to make me a better rider, I'd rather spend that $5Gs on two new custom frames.
To answer your question though, at the top end of my parade of obscenity would be a pair of Fulcrum 1s. Nice hoops for the cost with Campy's reputation for quality making them a good selection. Beyond that, my next set is going to be a 1200g set of clinchers built around Tune hubs and Alex rims. I'm following discussion on those on other forums and they sound like a nice lightweight alternative.
$1000 is about as far as I'd be willing to go on wheels, beyond chi-chi value, bragging rights or the desire to build a weight weenie bike, I just don't see the benefit.
To answer your question though, at the top end of my parade of obscenity would be a pair of Fulcrum 1s. Nice hoops for the cost with Campy's reputation for quality making them a good selection. Beyond that, my next set is going to be a 1200g set of clinchers built around Tune hubs and Alex rims. I'm following discussion on those on other forums and they sound like a nice lightweight alternative.
$1000 is about as far as I'd be willing to go on wheels, beyond chi-chi value, bragging rights or the desire to build a weight weenie bike, I just don't see the benefit.
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To mix it up a bit- I really like these wheels.
https://www.mavic.com/ewb_pages/p/pro...ute&annee=2007
https://www.mavic.com/ewb_pages/p/pro...ute&annee=2007
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Originally Posted by ratebeer
I guess my question to the Lightweight folks is why? I'm not questioning your judgment. I'm asking by what criteria do you judge a wheel?
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lightweight wheels
a cervelo
a cabana boy
a trip to hawaii to watch the IM championship
A trip to italy to ride my new bike
can I add a cabana boy again anywhere in there?
a cervelo
a cabana boy
a trip to hawaii to watch the IM championship
A trip to italy to ride my new bike
can I add a cabana boy again anywhere in there?
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Originally Posted by ratebeer
I guess my question to the Lightweight folks is why? I'm not questioning your judgment. I'm asking by what criteria do you judge a wheel?
From what I've read, the very basic wheel conclusions are 1) clinchers beat out tubulars for rolling resistance, and 2) aerodynamics trumps weight. 3) Wheel strength is more a safety concern than an efficiency or speed concern. 4) Deep aero rims are aerodynamic. 5) Spoke covered wheels are very aerodynamic and light. 6) Disk wheels tend to be very aerodynamic and a bit heavyish.
From what I've read, the very basic wheel conclusions are 1) clinchers beat out tubulars for rolling resistance, and 2) aerodynamics trumps weight. 3) Wheel strength is more a safety concern than an efficiency or speed concern. 4) Deep aero rims are aerodynamic. 5) Spoke covered wheels are very aerodynamic and light. 6) Disk wheels tend to be very aerodynamic and a bit heavyish.
2) Lightweights are 58mm aero wheels AND weigh 1000-1100g a PAIR.
3) Lightweights, by all accounts, are extremely durable and stiff, and don't require truing. Ever. Erik Zabel, for instance, sprints on them, and the Standard model can be used for Cyclocross.
4) See #2.
5) I don't know what a spoke-covered wheel is.
6) Yes.
Part of the problem with the question is that none or very few of us will ever really be in the position of money being no object. I mean, you can build an SRM/Record/Lightweight-equipped Cervelo R3 for $13000 and it comes in at 13lb., but very few of us will ever be in a position where we can just drop that amount of money and really, truly have it be an insignificant amount of money.
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
lightweight wheels
a cervelo
a cabana boy
a trip to hawaii to watch the IM championship
A trip to italy to ride my new bike
can I add a cabana boy again anywhere in there?
a cervelo
a cabana boy
a trip to hawaii to watch the IM championship
A trip to italy to ride my new bike
can I add a cabana boy again anywhere in there?
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
lightweight wheels
a cervelo
a cabana boya trip to hawaii to watch the IM championship
A trip to italy to ride my new bike
can I add a cabana boy again anywhere in there?
a cervelo
a cabana boya trip to hawaii to watch the IM championship
A trip to italy to ride my new bike
can I add a cabana boy again anywhere in there?
Would his name be Sphinn like as in Sphinn the Swedish pool boy?......excuse me, he would be considered a young man!
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