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<$500 steel frames for a non-racer?

Old 02-02-07, 11:59 PM
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There are still a few Titan frames on e-Bay, go to https://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Vintage-Ital...ayphotohosting or https://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Vintage-Ital...QQcmdZViewItem
These are top Quality, NOS Italian frames with somewhat unorthodox paint jobs. Most had Columbus SL, SLX, Chromor tubing. There is a Titan thread with more info on the bikes. Don
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Oh man, there is just no reason to buy new! E-bay or a bicycle collective or craigslist are your first stops. I love my 1982 Austro Daimler (reynolds 531). I can lock it up and not worry to much, and she's a bute. Had for $40.
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Originally Posted by odl21
i have two of these. my 58 weighs less the 16lbs fully built.

fantastic frames at a fantatic price.
Does the Ciocc have a carbon fork?
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Originally Posted by bung
Does the Ciocc have a carbon fork?
yup
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Old 02-03-07, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by acorn_user
Your wish is my command! I think we will be able to rescue almost all of the group. The wheels are gone though. Might rescue the hubs. Being cautious, I think some new bars would be smart also.

Thanks for the help so far, keep it coming

Talking of Schwinn Paramounts; we unearthed one nearby with a nearly new 105 9-speed group. The frame is early 90's, lugged lightweight steel. What is the durability of these thin walled tubesets like? I know I would trust 531st, but does 753 et al last as well?
p.s. the complete Paramount is $850...
I have a 1995 Waterford 1200, their first bike, in Reynolds 753. It is very close to 853. 853 is able to be welded. 753 cannot be welded. It is very stiff for steel. Figure about 1/2 to 1 lb heavier than 853 becuase the walls are not quite so thin.

Raliegh and Waterford were the only production frames in 753 I know of. Reynolds wouldn't sell you the tubes unless you were certified, by them, to braze it. That ensured no made in China on a robot 753 framesets. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. Good luck

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Originally Posted by ollo_ollo
There are still a few Titan frames on e-Bay, go to https://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Vintage-Ital...ayphotohosting or https://cgi.ebay.com/NOS-Vintage-Ital...QQcmdZViewItem
These are top Quality, NOS Italian frames with somewhat unorthodox paint jobs. Most had Columbus SL, SLX, Chromor tubing. There is a Titan thread with more info on the bikes. Don
I contacted him last summer when the frames were missing on ebay for a while. DON'T let him fool you. He's sitting on a warehouse full of them. He was just taking them off the market so demand could catch up with supply. He has more frames than he knows what to do with. When supply exceeds demand, the price falls.

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Originally Posted by cs1
I have a 1995 Waterford 1200, their first bike, in Reynolds 753. It is very close to 853. 853 is able to be welded. 753 cannot be welded. It is very stiff for steel. Figure about 1/2 to 1 lb heavier than 853 becuase the walls are not quite so thin.

Raliegh and Waterford were the only production frames in 753 I know of. Reynolds wouldn't sell you the tubes unless you were certified, by them, to braze it. That ensured no made in China on a robot 753 framesets. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another. Good luck

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I'm sure Waterford had the tubes custom drawn to their specs and I'd be very surprised if they are heavier than the 853 tubes currently in use. Good steel as long as the builder knows what they are doing - which Waterford does.
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We're keeping an eye out. I actually volunteer at the local bike collective, which is where I got my fantastic bonded alu bike, but we are going through a lean patch and mostly have complete tat in there! Definitely no Austro Daimlers, because I would have already swiped it (I lived near the old AD/Puch factory in Austria for 2 years).

Thanks for the input on the Paramount. In my opinion, it is his best options, but I think he is a bit uncomfortable with the price. But by the time we built new wheels for the Ciocc (which is amazing), we'ld have been able to get the Paramount anyway. Then we could drum up some crazy old frame to hang the RSX off of.

If only it were Suntour, I would buy it off him and seal the deal (CX project

Will look up the Titan stuff.

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Originally Posted by bung
Does the Ciocc have a carbon fork?
yes, carbon with a 1" cromoly steerer.
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Originally Posted by seriouslysilly
what components are on your frame?
on mine, i have full 2007 campy record with mike garcia niobium 30 wheels.

the frame is not that light so i had to be pretty extreme to get down to that weight. for example i have the time rxs titanium pedals and 130g veloflex record tires.

my wife has a smaller 53 with 06 centaur and campy vento wheels so thats a fair bit heavier.
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