Landis' case looking stronger
02-23-07, 12:10 AM
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Landis' case looking stronger
His case looks stronger and stronger every week.
https://www.latimes.com/sports/cyclin...home-headlines
And this article has even more crazy "mistakes" by the lab: https://www.latimes.com/sports/cyclin...home-headlines
https://www.latimes.com/sports/cyclin...home-headlines
The French laboratory that produced incriminating doping results against Tour de France champion Floyd Landis may have allowed improper access to the American cyclist's urine samples, lab documents show — one of a number of errors that could jeopardize the case against Landis.
A similar error, committed by the same lab in 2005, resulted in the rare dismissal of doping charges against Spanish cyclist Inigo Landaluze in December.
A similar error, committed by the same lab in 2005, resulted in the rare dismissal of doping charges against Spanish cyclist Inigo Landaluze in December.
02-23-07, 12:13 AM
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Well,
I hope Landis is cleared, but I also hope that the case they are developing will help sway the court of public opinion.
I hope Landis is cleared, but I also hope that the case they are developing will help sway the court of public opinion.
02-23-07, 12:15 AM
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i hope floyd is baned and retires for ever and is never seen again
02-23-07, 12:17 AM
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lol, his case doesn't look any stronger. If this kind of evidence sways your opinion, than you're suggesting that it was a conspiracy.
02-23-07, 12:20 AM
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I love how SH1TLOADS of money goes into testing and yet when the case goes to court they always find ways the labs stuff up and get the case dismissed...
Its f'ing bullsh1t, either get it right or don't do it at all.
Its f'ing bullsh1t, either get it right or don't do it at all.
02-23-07, 12:33 AM
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They need to find a different lab. The leaks alone were enough to switch labs, but the stupid procedural errors are completely unacceptable.
02-23-07, 03:14 AM
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Phonak should have checked the blood that was injected for synthetic test. before they put it in him after stage 16
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02-23-07, 05:17 AM
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i hope floyd is baned and retires for ever and is never seen again
I believe in a dirty French lab worker before I believe in a dirty Floyd, but I try to keep an open mind if the evidence seems to follow some blantant use or a cheating dose that makes sense. Do you know something other than what you have read or heard in the mass media? I'm not trying to slam you, just curious.
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Originally Posted by brianallan
lol, his case doesn't look any stronger. If this kind of evidence sways your opinion, than you're suggesting that it was a conspiracy.
02-23-07, 07:05 AM
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Simple solution..............let the pro's dope and there would be no need for labs and controversy! Can't get any simpler than that. Not saying to make doping legal by law......just legal by the event. We can still prosecute the individual if shown to have dope in their system once the event is over. That way if they win the TDF they can wear the yellow jersey to prison. It works for everyone.
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Originally Posted by Ryanf
i hope floyd is baned and retires for ever and is never seen again
02-23-07, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by brianallan
lol, his case doesn't look any stronger. If this kind of evidence sways your opinion, than you're suggesting that it was a conspiracy.
In any event, as I see it, as much as I love the TdF...the whole sport has been badly damaged. Even if Landis' tour win is restored, his reputation has been ruined. The whole thing is a tragedy for all that love the sport of cycling.
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P.S. If you think about it...if Floyd Landis is the victim of foul play, can you imagine what he must be going through?
02-23-07, 07:55 AM
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Wait. It's NOT a conspiracy?
02-23-07, 07:57 AM
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The real problem is that the results of the doping controls are an absolute joke. I'm not saying that Floyd did it or anything, but if the lab has no credibility, then it won't matter what they find because none of the results seem to stick.
The fact that the WADA still uses this lab makes my brain hurt.
The fact that the WADA still uses this lab makes my brain hurt.
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This whole event has imbued professional cycling with the air of credibility one normally associates with professional wrestling.
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I manage laboratories. If I had an employee leaking confidential information on a patient/sample I'd fire them immediately. Its a HIPA violation and could cause my lab to be closed or fined.
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^^^ And if done for the sake of publicity, they could go for the full fine plus jail time, couldn't they?
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With all the problems that this lab has had in the past, I don't understand why they don't just switch labs?
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If this positive test is thrown out on a procedural issue, I think it will be worse for the sport and the Tour than if it is upheld. The one thing that might save a bit of the luster would be proof that it was not a positive to begin with, which I don't see happening.
I would like to see Landis keep the win, but it just seems like letting him keep it based on paperwork errors etc. would still leave the public looking at the sport as a complete drug-addled sham.
I would like to see Landis keep the win, but it just seems like letting him keep it based on paperwork errors etc. would still leave the public looking at the sport as a complete drug-addled sham.
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Originally Posted by superslomo
If this positive test is thrown out on a procedural issue, I think it will be worse for the sport and the Tour than if it is upheld. The one thing that might save a bit of the luster would be proof that it was not a positive to begin with, which I don't see happening.
I would like to see Landis keep the win, but it just seems like letting him keep it based on paperwork errors etc. would still leave the public looking at the sport as a complete drug-addled sham.
I would like to see Landis keep the win, but it just seems like letting him keep it based on paperwork errors etc. would still leave the public looking at the sport as a complete drug-addled sham.
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Originally Posted by pathdoc
I manage laboratories. If I had an employee leaking confidential information on a patient/sample I'd fire them immediately. Its a HIPA violation and could cause my lab to be closed or fined.
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Originally Posted by Ryanf
i hope floyd is baned and retires for ever and is never seen again
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This whole event has imbued professional cycling with the air of credibility one normally associates with professional wrestling.
In cycling, it's all talent and hardwork....