Basso's been suspended!
04-24-07, 12:48 PM
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Basso's been suspended!
https://www.supercycling.co.za/defaul.../international
The Discovery Channel team suspended Italian Ivan Basso from racing on Tuesday after the Italian Olympic Committee's anti-doping office reopened an investigation into the 2006 Giro d'Italia winner.
"Team management...has requested that Italian rider Ivan Basso not compete pending further information in a new investigation coming out of Italy," the team said in a statement.
"Consistent with the team's stated position on this issue, upon notification of the new investigation opened in Italy, General Manager Bill Stapleton and Sports Director Johan Bruyneel will not allow Basso to race pending further information."
Bruyneel said: "We continue to stand behind Ivan and intend to cooperate with all parties involved until there is closure.
"It is unfortunate that this is now occurring, however, I have spoken to Ivan and although frustrated he agrees and understands with the decision we have taken."
"Team management...has requested that Italian rider Ivan Basso not compete pending further information in a new investigation coming out of Italy," the team said in a statement.
"Consistent with the team's stated position on this issue, upon notification of the new investigation opened in Italy, General Manager Bill Stapleton and Sports Director Johan Bruyneel will not allow Basso to race pending further information."
Bruyneel said: "We continue to stand behind Ivan and intend to cooperate with all parties involved until there is closure.
"It is unfortunate that this is now occurring, however, I have spoken to Ivan and although frustrated he agrees and understands with the decision we have taken."
04-24-07, 12:52 PM
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Maybe there will finally be a definitive answer:
"Italy's La Repubblica newspaper reported on Tuesday that anti-doping investigators had discovered further evidence and had also obtained bags suspected to contain Basso's blood from Spain and wanted to compare them with Basso's DNA."
"Italy's La Repubblica newspaper reported on Tuesday that anti-doping investigators had discovered further evidence and had also obtained bags suspected to contain Basso's blood from Spain and wanted to compare them with Basso's DNA."
04-24-07, 12:53 PM
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So, who's left for this year's tour?
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04-24-07, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by lawkd
Maybe there will finally be a definitive answer:
"Italy's La Repubblica newspaper reported on Tuesday that anti-doping investigators had discovered further evidence and had also obtained bags suspected to contain Basso's blood from Spain and wanted to compare them with Basso's DNA."
"Italy's La Repubblica newspaper reported on Tuesday that anti-doping investigators had discovered further evidence and had also obtained bags suspected to contain Basso's blood from Spain and wanted to compare them with Basso's DNA."
04-24-07, 01:00 PM
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I really don't understand why the UCI actually tests these guys.
The NFL pretty much NEVER has a guy fail a performance-enhancing-drug test, yet many of those guys are as muscular after the season's over as they were on day one. How many natural athletes can weigh 300+ lbs, have little bodyfat and run a 4-second 40 yard dash? Yet, has anyone talked about steroids/drugs ruining the NFL? Nope. Instead they talk about BASEBALL's "steroid mosnters."
The lesson: out of sight, out of mind.
People just don't want to hear about it; they're fine pretending that if the athletes never fail a drug test that they're drug free. Cycling's only hurting itself.
The NFL pretty much NEVER has a guy fail a performance-enhancing-drug test, yet many of those guys are as muscular after the season's over as they were on day one. How many natural athletes can weigh 300+ lbs, have little bodyfat and run a 4-second 40 yard dash? Yet, has anyone talked about steroids/drugs ruining the NFL? Nope. Instead they talk about BASEBALL's "steroid mosnters."
The lesson: out of sight, out of mind.
People just don't want to hear about it; they're fine pretending that if the athletes never fail a drug test that they're drug free. Cycling's only hurting itself.
04-24-07, 01:13 PM
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Shaw Merriman was suspended last year for 4 games as he violated the NFL drug policy. He is a NFL Superstar big name on a Super Bowl contender so your statement is flawed. Later.
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Originally Posted by brianallan
The situation really hasn't changed. "they" have always wanted to test Basso's DNA with the bags. The problem is that Basso won't submit to a DNA test unless it's something to the tune of a national investigation. Not quite sure what the qualifications were for him submitting to a DNA test.
After they found Ullrich's DNA, they are moving forward big time and the Italian police are getting involved. doping is a crime in Italy, unlike Spain.
04-24-07, 01:20 PM
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I'm new to this stuff and cycling for the most part, but from what I read it sounds like Europe and the doping powers that be really don't play by any set of rules. They just go after you until they are satisfied which seems to be never.
04-24-07, 01:22 PM
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Mebbe we'll finally get another Eddie Merckx...
04-24-07, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by varian72
I'm new to this stuff and cycling for the most part, but from what I read it sounds like Europe and the doping powers that be really don't play by any set of rules. They just go after you until they are satisfied which seems to be never.
04-24-07, 01:28 PM
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The percentage of positive drug tests in the NFL is about equal to cycling; they just don't test nearly as often as the UCI does.
04-24-07, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Dial_tone
The percentage of positive drug tests in the NFL is about equal to cycling; they just don't test nearly as often as the UCI does.
04-24-07, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DocRay
they rarely test. As a percentage caught, golfers are among the worst dopers.
04-24-07, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by aham23
Shaw Merriman was suspended last year for 4 games as he violated the NFL drug policy. He is a NFL Superstar big name on a Super Bowl contender so your statement is flawed. Later.
04-24-07, 01:42 PM
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^^ did the punishment fit the crime? who knows, but the statement that the NFL never has any players fail a drug test is wrong. that is my point. later.
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Originally Posted by cbip
To bad you dont know what the hell your talking about. Never let the facts get in the way of an good argument. Stick to Cycling were you have a chance.
Cycling: - 3.78% - 482 positives out of 12,751 tests
Baseball: - 3.69% - - 390/10,580
Triathlon: - 3.14% - - 74/2,170
Archery: - 2.94% - 25/850
Golf: - 5.21% - 20/384
Rugby: - 2.46% - 113/4,601
Ice Hockey: - 2.87% - 79/2,751
Boxing: - 3.14% - 83/2433
Volleyball: - 2.06% - 54/2161
Weightlifting: - 2.50% - 146/5842
Athletics: - 1.67% - 342/20,464
Football (Soccer): 1.46% - 343/23,478
Billiards: - 9.96% - 28/281
Motorcycle Racing: 3.23% - 12/372
Underwater sports: 3.22% - 12/373
Orienteering: - 2.09% - 10/479
Bandy: - 3.94% - 8/203
55.2% of all Adverse Analytical Findings were Anabolic agents (43.4%) or stimulants.
60.7% of AAF for Anabolic agents the identified substance was Testosterone.
covered in this thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...light=bandy%27
Let me do the math for you: 5.21% > 3.78%
Try not to perpetuate myths about Texans.
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04-24-07, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by aham23
^^ did the punishment fit the crime? who knows, but the statement that the NFL never has any players fail a drug test is wrong. that is my point. later.
04-24-07, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DocRay
It's "too" genius. I guess the Dumfukistan Gazzette didn't print this:
Cycling: - 3.78% - 482 positives out of 12,751 tests
Baseball: - 3.69% - - 390/10,580
Triathlon: - 3.14% - - 74/2,170
Archery: - 2.94% - 25/850
Golf: - 5.21% - 20/384
Rugby: - 2.46% - 113/4,601
Ice Hockey: - 2.87% - 79/2,751
Boxing: - 3.14% - 83/2433
Volleyball: - 2.06% - 54/2161
Weightlifting: - 2.50% - 146/5842
Athletics: - 1.67% - 342/20,464
Football (Soccer): 1.46% - 343/23,478
Billiards: - 9.96% - 28/281Motorcycle Racing: 3.23% - 12/372
Underwater sports: 3.22% - 12/373
Orienteering: - 2.09% - 10/479
Bandy: - 3.94% - 8/203
55.2% of all Adverse Analytical Findings were Anabolic agents (43.4%) or stimulants.
60.7% of AAF for Anabolic agents the identified substance was Testosterone.
covered in this thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...light=bandy%27
Let me do the math for you: 5.21% > 3.78%
Try not to perpetuate myths about Texans.
Cycling: - 3.78% - 482 positives out of 12,751 tests
Baseball: - 3.69% - - 390/10,580
Triathlon: - 3.14% - - 74/2,170
Archery: - 2.94% - 25/850
Golf: - 5.21% - 20/384
Rugby: - 2.46% - 113/4,601
Ice Hockey: - 2.87% - 79/2,751
Boxing: - 3.14% - 83/2433
Volleyball: - 2.06% - 54/2161
Weightlifting: - 2.50% - 146/5842
Athletics: - 1.67% - 342/20,464
Football (Soccer): 1.46% - 343/23,478
Billiards: - 9.96% - 28/281Motorcycle Racing: 3.23% - 12/372
Underwater sports: 3.22% - 12/373
Orienteering: - 2.09% - 10/479
Bandy: - 3.94% - 8/203
55.2% of all Adverse Analytical Findings were Anabolic agents (43.4%) or stimulants.
60.7% of AAF for Anabolic agents the identified substance was Testosterone.
covered in this thread:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...light=bandy%27
Let me do the math for you: 5.21% > 3.78%
Try not to perpetuate myths about Texans.
04-24-07, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
My statement was "pretty much never." And as for Shawn Merriman, we still have no conclusive evidence as to what drug he failed for, simply that he claims it was caused by an over the counter drug. (The NFL never released what he tested positive for) Aside from that, Merriman is ONE player. What percentage would you estimate are taking drugs in the NFL? I'd venture that it's way above 50%.
i am done with this.
later.
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billards? what kind of steroids do you need for billards?
04-24-07, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by snoboard2
billards? what kind of steroids do you need for billards?