What road bike do you have?
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Originally Posted by dstrong
So why do all you bikes all have the same ladder strapped to the side? Oh...wait...I get it....never mind.
Well, I am a Fireman....
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the great shark hunt
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bbp, thats a nice bike. do you have a description/parts list? what saddle is that?
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Originally Posted by goldfish
bbp, thats a nice bike. do you have a description/parts list? what saddle is that?
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Trek 2200
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Currently I am riding a 2004 Trek 2200.
I am working on another bike which I hope to have on the rode by mid November. It is an older Cannondale frame and Ultegra 600 setup which I stripped and am now in the middle of painting.
I read lots of good painting advice in the Bike Mechanics forum before I got started on this project.
Tim
I am working on another bike which I hope to have on the rode by mid November. It is an older Cannondale frame and Ultegra 600 setup which I stripped and am now in the middle of painting.
I read lots of good painting advice in the Bike Mechanics forum before I got started on this project.
Tim
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This is my Rivendell Atlantis. Great bike.
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Originally Posted by Just Ride10
I OWN A KENT GMC DENALI ROAD BIKE.
Im a 15 year old highschool student who has always enjoyed cycling, no matter what it was on. Recently a friend of mine got a road bike, a Lemond. I test rode it, I loved it! From the drop down handlebars to the awsome highspeeds I could reach, I just love it. It was then I feel in love with road bikes. So, I went home got on the computer and looked the bike up, I couldn't believe my eyes, the prices they were so high. I searched weeks and weeks and never found anything below 350$
Now, many of you are saying EBAY!! look at EBAY!! Well, first off my parents would never give me their credit card for a bike, no matter how cheap because we are on a sort of "tight budget". Second, even if I could have order it, the shipping was like 50-75$! I barley had enough to pay for the bike itself, plus the shipping no way I could afford that. Some of you say flea markets or yard sales. Well, in Staten Island, NY there are no real flea markets, believe me I looked. Also there is a yard sale like every year and there is never anyhting over 10 dollars at those things.
So, I was stuck, money was holding me back from the one thing I loved, the feeling of being free while your flying down the street on a bike. About a month later while at a LBS, looking and drooling over the Specialized, Treks, etc. I over heard someone talking about a Walmart bike for 150$ Could this be true, are my weeks and months in derpression over not having ANYTHING to ride really be over! I ran out of the store, nearly knocking over all of the bikes in the store. I looked like a kid running to Toys R Us. I got home and went to Walmart.com. I searched bikes and there it was the KENT GMC DENALI ROAD BIKE. Glissing on my screen like gold in a mine, 150$ my wait was over!
I ran upstairs and opened my wallet, 22.43$. Oh man another obstacle. I decided to get a job. I starting working at a local deli. I took public transportation to and from work and also school. There were many times I got up at 5:00 am when I did't have a moring class, hoped on the bus and opend the store for overtime pay. I was getting barley minium wage for pay. It took me about 3 and a half months to get the money. Why did it take me so long, well most of the time I did't have time to work either I had to go to school or I had to watch my little sister for my parents.
So, finally the day was here I went to walmart.com typed in KENT GMC DENALI and cliked order. The final cost was 181.43$ It took about a week to deliver and it came mostly assembled, I just had to put on the front wheel and attach the seat. I had it, right there in my house, a real road bike. I put on a pair of Nike basketball shoes, put on shorts and a tee-shirt and I set out. I left at 2:30pm and didn't arrive home till 8:15pm. I felt so alive, my behind was so sore, my legs so numb and tired I couldn't even feel them, I was dizzy and dehydrated because I hadn't drank anything but a Pepsi before the ride, but I was alive, for the first time in my life was really alive.
So, you can either read this whole article and decide that this was just a complete was of my time and keep your opinion on this bike, that is a big lump of crap. Or, you can read this a realize that while we are all caught up in the Treks and Specialized, and the thousand of dollars you spend on your bike, you really miss the point, you get a bike to ride to enjoy to get that free feeling. Your to obssed in the computers, carbon frames, shifters (twist shifters also) that you eventually lose that "free" feeling. So, whatever you say about me or my bike, I really dont care. I don't care what you call me, go ahead call me a Wally World shopper or the poor kid with the 40 lb bike named after a 10,000 pound gigantic SUV. But I promise you when I pass you on the street because you stoped after you hit a pothole and you computer stoped working or your newly bought racing tires poped, I will be smiling inside and out, because while you are wasting time worrying about your 150$ computer that may have been broken or your 750$ frame that may have bent, I will be living, I will be alive. And when I am about to pass I will stop and tell you "Hey man don't worry about all those gadgets and parts, get on the rode and just ride man, just ride.
Im a 15 year old highschool student who has always enjoyed cycling, no matter what it was on. Recently a friend of mine got a road bike, a Lemond. I test rode it, I loved it! From the drop down handlebars to the awsome highspeeds I could reach, I just love it. It was then I feel in love with road bikes. So, I went home got on the computer and looked the bike up, I couldn't believe my eyes, the prices they were so high. I searched weeks and weeks and never found anything below 350$
Now, many of you are saying EBAY!! look at EBAY!! Well, first off my parents would never give me their credit card for a bike, no matter how cheap because we are on a sort of "tight budget". Second, even if I could have order it, the shipping was like 50-75$! I barley had enough to pay for the bike itself, plus the shipping no way I could afford that. Some of you say flea markets or yard sales. Well, in Staten Island, NY there are no real flea markets, believe me I looked. Also there is a yard sale like every year and there is never anyhting over 10 dollars at those things.
So, I was stuck, money was holding me back from the one thing I loved, the feeling of being free while your flying down the street on a bike. About a month later while at a LBS, looking and drooling over the Specialized, Treks, etc. I over heard someone talking about a Walmart bike for 150$ Could this be true, are my weeks and months in derpression over not having ANYTHING to ride really be over! I ran out of the store, nearly knocking over all of the bikes in the store. I looked like a kid running to Toys R Us. I got home and went to Walmart.com. I searched bikes and there it was the KENT GMC DENALI ROAD BIKE. Glissing on my screen like gold in a mine, 150$ my wait was over!
I ran upstairs and opened my wallet, 22.43$. Oh man another obstacle. I decided to get a job. I starting working at a local deli. I took public transportation to and from work and also school. There were many times I got up at 5:00 am when I did't have a moring class, hoped on the bus and opend the store for overtime pay. I was getting barley minium wage for pay. It took me about 3 and a half months to get the money. Why did it take me so long, well most of the time I did't have time to work either I had to go to school or I had to watch my little sister for my parents.
So, finally the day was here I went to walmart.com typed in KENT GMC DENALI and cliked order. The final cost was 181.43$ It took about a week to deliver and it came mostly assembled, I just had to put on the front wheel and attach the seat. I had it, right there in my house, a real road bike. I put on a pair of Nike basketball shoes, put on shorts and a tee-shirt and I set out. I left at 2:30pm and didn't arrive home till 8:15pm. I felt so alive, my behind was so sore, my legs so numb and tired I couldn't even feel them, I was dizzy and dehydrated because I hadn't drank anything but a Pepsi before the ride, but I was alive, for the first time in my life was really alive.
So, you can either read this whole article and decide that this was just a complete was of my time and keep your opinion on this bike, that is a big lump of crap. Or, you can read this a realize that while we are all caught up in the Treks and Specialized, and the thousand of dollars you spend on your bike, you really miss the point, you get a bike to ride to enjoy to get that free feeling. Your to obssed in the computers, carbon frames, shifters (twist shifters also) that you eventually lose that "free" feeling. So, whatever you say about me or my bike, I really dont care. I don't care what you call me, go ahead call me a Wally World shopper or the poor kid with the 40 lb bike named after a 10,000 pound gigantic SUV. But I promise you when I pass you on the street because you stoped after you hit a pothole and you computer stoped working or your newly bought racing tires poped, I will be smiling inside and out, because while you are wasting time worrying about your 150$ computer that may have been broken or your 750$ frame that may have bent, I will be living, I will be alive. And when I am about to pass I will stop and tell you "Hey man don't worry about all those gadgets and parts, get on the rode and just ride man, just ride.
you bought a bike __NOW GO OUT AND RIDE IT! Have fun, get stronger. Keep at it and by the time you can afford a another bike (if you want to upgrade) you'll be twice as strong as you friends.
and don't ever post a reply that long again.
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Finally a good picture of my ride. 2004.
I have christened it, "Machin Shin". Translation: The Black Wind
Dante
I have christened it, "Machin Shin". Translation: The Black Wind
Dante
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Originally Posted by Just Ride10
I OWN A KENT GMC DENALI ROAD BIKE.
Im a 15 year old highschool student who has always enjoyed cycling, no matter what it was on. Recently a friend of mine got a road bike, a Lemond. I test rode it, I loved it! From the drop down handlebars to the awsome highspeeds I could reach, I just love it. It was then I feel in love with road bikes. So, I went home got on the computer and looked the bike up, I couldn't believe my eyes, the prices they were so high. I searched weeks and weeks and never found anything below 350$
Now, many of you are saying EBAY!! look at EBAY!! Well, first off my parents would never give me their credit card for a bike, no matter how cheap because we are on a sort of "tight budget". Second, even if I could have order it, the shipping was like 50-75$! I barley had enough to pay for the bike itself, plus the shipping no way I could afford that. Some of you say flea markets or yard sales. Well, in Staten Island, NY there are no real flea markets, believe me I looked. Also there is a yard sale like every year and there is never anyhting over 10 dollars at those things.
So, I was stuck, money was holding me back from the one thing I loved, the feeling of being free while your flying down the street on a bike. About a month later while at a LBS, looking and drooling over the Specialized, Treks, etc. I over heard someone talking about a Walmart bike for 150$ Could this be true, are my weeks and months in derpression over not having ANYTHING to ride really be over! I ran out of the store, nearly knocking over all of the bikes in the store. I looked like a kid running to Toys R Us. I got home and went to Walmart.com. I searched bikes and there it was the KENT GMC DENALI ROAD BIKE. Glissing on my screen like gold in a mine, 150$ my wait was over!
I ran upstairs and opened my wallet, 22.43$. Oh man another obstacle. I decided to get a job. I starting working at a local deli. I took public transportation to and from work and also school. There were many times I got up at 5:00 am when I did't have a moring class, hoped on the bus and opend the store for overtime pay. I was getting barley minium wage for pay. It took me about 3 and a half months to get the money. Why did it take me so long, well most of the time I did't have time to work either I had to go to school or I had to watch my little sister for my parents.
So, finally the day was here I went to walmart.com typed in KENT GMC DENALI and cliked order. The final cost was 181.43$ It took about a week to deliver and it came mostly assembled, I just had to put on the front wheel and attach the seat. I had it, right there in my house, a real road bike. I put on a pair of Nike basketball shoes, put on shorts and a tee-shirt and I set out. I left at 2:30pm and didn't arrive home till 8:15pm. I felt so alive, my behind was so sore, my legs so numb and tired I couldn't even feel them, I was dizzy and dehydrated because I hadn't drank anything but a Pepsi before the ride, but I was alive, for the first time in my life was really alive.
So, you can either read this whole article and decide that this was just a complete was of my time and keep your opinion on this bike, that is a big lump of crap. Or, you can read this a realize that while we are all caught up in the Treks and Specialized, and the thousand of dollars you spend on your bike, you really miss the point, you get a bike to ride to enjoy to get that free feeling. Your to obssed in the computers, carbon frames, shifters (twist shifters also) that you eventually lose that "free" feeling. So, whatever you say about me or my bike, I really dont care. I don't care what you call me, go ahead call me a Wally World shopper or the poor kid with the 40 lb bike named after a 10,000 pound gigantic SUV. But I promise you when I pass you on the street because you stoped after you hit a pothole and you computer stoped working or your newly bought racing tires poped, I will be smiling inside and out, because while you are wasting time worrying about your 150$ computer that may have been broken or your 750$ frame that may have bent, I will be living, I will be alive. And when I am about to pass I will stop and tell you "Hey man don't worry about all those gadgets and parts, get on the rode and just ride man, just ride.
Im a 15 year old highschool student who has always enjoyed cycling, no matter what it was on. Recently a friend of mine got a road bike, a Lemond. I test rode it, I loved it! From the drop down handlebars to the awsome highspeeds I could reach, I just love it. It was then I feel in love with road bikes. So, I went home got on the computer and looked the bike up, I couldn't believe my eyes, the prices they were so high. I searched weeks and weeks and never found anything below 350$
Now, many of you are saying EBAY!! look at EBAY!! Well, first off my parents would never give me their credit card for a bike, no matter how cheap because we are on a sort of "tight budget". Second, even if I could have order it, the shipping was like 50-75$! I barley had enough to pay for the bike itself, plus the shipping no way I could afford that. Some of you say flea markets or yard sales. Well, in Staten Island, NY there are no real flea markets, believe me I looked. Also there is a yard sale like every year and there is never anyhting over 10 dollars at those things.
So, I was stuck, money was holding me back from the one thing I loved, the feeling of being free while your flying down the street on a bike. About a month later while at a LBS, looking and drooling over the Specialized, Treks, etc. I over heard someone talking about a Walmart bike for 150$ Could this be true, are my weeks and months in derpression over not having ANYTHING to ride really be over! I ran out of the store, nearly knocking over all of the bikes in the store. I looked like a kid running to Toys R Us. I got home and went to Walmart.com. I searched bikes and there it was the KENT GMC DENALI ROAD BIKE. Glissing on my screen like gold in a mine, 150$ my wait was over!
I ran upstairs and opened my wallet, 22.43$. Oh man another obstacle. I decided to get a job. I starting working at a local deli. I took public transportation to and from work and also school. There were many times I got up at 5:00 am when I did't have a moring class, hoped on the bus and opend the store for overtime pay. I was getting barley minium wage for pay. It took me about 3 and a half months to get the money. Why did it take me so long, well most of the time I did't have time to work either I had to go to school or I had to watch my little sister for my parents.
So, finally the day was here I went to walmart.com typed in KENT GMC DENALI and cliked order. The final cost was 181.43$ It took about a week to deliver and it came mostly assembled, I just had to put on the front wheel and attach the seat. I had it, right there in my house, a real road bike. I put on a pair of Nike basketball shoes, put on shorts and a tee-shirt and I set out. I left at 2:30pm and didn't arrive home till 8:15pm. I felt so alive, my behind was so sore, my legs so numb and tired I couldn't even feel them, I was dizzy and dehydrated because I hadn't drank anything but a Pepsi before the ride, but I was alive, for the first time in my life was really alive.
So, you can either read this whole article and decide that this was just a complete was of my time and keep your opinion on this bike, that is a big lump of crap. Or, you can read this a realize that while we are all caught up in the Treks and Specialized, and the thousand of dollars you spend on your bike, you really miss the point, you get a bike to ride to enjoy to get that free feeling. Your to obssed in the computers, carbon frames, shifters (twist shifters also) that you eventually lose that "free" feeling. So, whatever you say about me or my bike, I really dont care. I don't care what you call me, go ahead call me a Wally World shopper or the poor kid with the 40 lb bike named after a 10,000 pound gigantic SUV. But I promise you when I pass you on the street because you stoped after you hit a pothole and you computer stoped working or your newly bought racing tires poped, I will be smiling inside and out, because while you are wasting time worrying about your 150$ computer that may have been broken or your 750$ frame that may have bent, I will be living, I will be alive. And when I am about to pass I will stop and tell you "Hey man don't worry about all those gadgets and parts, get on the rode and just ride man, just ride.
Wow, you must be an old soul. so wise, so young
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I have a Litespeed Liege and Eddy Merckx - Team Issue Motorola
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2005 Giant TCR2 Aluminum
105 Shifters and RD, Tiagra FD ... TruVative Cranks, the rest ??
Added:
Performance Clipless Campus Pedals
60mm 45 Degree Stem
Cateye Astrale 8
2 Water Bottle Holders
Saddle Bag
I think she's a bit large for me since I had to shorten and raise the bars with a different stem. I also raised the bars themselves so they point slightly up. I hope to get more flexible and eventually get them to point down and go back to the a 0 degree rise stem again.
She's on the trainer for the work week while I commute using my slickified MTB. I love being able to take her out on the weekend and litterally double my endurance and add at least 5 mph on my average speed after riding The Tank MTB (Schwinn High Plains) all week
BTW - The tank below:
105 Shifters and RD, Tiagra FD ... TruVative Cranks, the rest ??
Added:
Performance Clipless Campus Pedals
60mm 45 Degree Stem
Cateye Astrale 8
2 Water Bottle Holders
Saddle Bag
I think she's a bit large for me since I had to shorten and raise the bars with a different stem. I also raised the bars themselves so they point slightly up. I hope to get more flexible and eventually get them to point down and go back to the a 0 degree rise stem again.
She's on the trainer for the work week while I commute using my slickified MTB. I love being able to take her out on the weekend and litterally double my endurance and add at least 5 mph on my average speed after riding The Tank MTB (Schwinn High Plains) all week
BTW - The tank below:
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#2914
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Originally Posted by a2psyklnut
Here's my LeMond Zurich w/ full Ultegra. Rolf Vector Comp's (not crazy about these).
L8R
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2005 Scott Speedster S5. Looks almost just like to $8000 Scott CR1...same color scheme. People who see me on this bike always say the bike looks super expensive. I paid $699 on sale.
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Nice stable dude, you put Eurus on a Cross bike?
What do you weigh 50lbs? I mean mine are strong, but I dont think I'd do that...
Nice bikes though, I especially like the Merckx stuff...
What do you weigh 50lbs? I mean mine are strong, but I dont think I'd do that...
Nice bikes though, I especially like the Merckx stuff...
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Here is my brand new Motobecane Mirage Sport. I know it is not Trek or Litespeed but that's all I could afford.
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Hey maury, nice job on that Motobecane. If it gets you where you need to be and you like the ride, then have at it. It is one hell of an attractive bike. Enjoy the many miles I hope you will put on it. By the way, where in NJ are you? I am in Ewing.
Brian
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Originally Posted by baj32161
Hey maury, nice job on that Motobecane. If it gets you where you need to be and you like the ride, then have at it. It is one hell of an attractive bike. Enjoy the many miles I hope you will put on it. By the way, where in NJ are you? I am in Ewing.
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I just got a Surly Pacer last week from Excel. I could not resist in buying this bike. I was looking for a steel frame so I could build up a bike.then I was surfing the Excel site and saw a full Ultegra Surly with decent wheels for a great price and decided to take a chance.
It has been raining in Los Angeles and I have not had a chance to ride. Today is sunny and I unfortunatly had too many things to do, but managed to take a few photos of the Surly as well as my other bike a Litespeed Teramo.
It has been raining in Los Angeles and I have not had a chance to ride. Today is sunny and I unfortunatly had too many things to do, but managed to take a few photos of the Surly as well as my other bike a Litespeed Teramo.
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I have a Raleigh R600. Been working on getting some pics up, but don't seem to have advanced to the realm of digital photography yet. Once I get some taken I'll post it! sshakari, I like the Surly. Nice one.
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my croll
59cm croll frame/fork reynolds 531
king headset
9 speed dura ace+gossamer compact 50/36 cranks
kludge of 3 different cassettes for 12-14-16-17-18-19-21-24-28
wheels are dura ace hubs to open pro rims 2.0/1.7 butted in front and 2.0 drive side 1.8 non drive side in the rear, both 3x
built for to match my apartment and journey on vacations into the mountains.
59cm croll frame/fork reynolds 531
king headset
9 speed dura ace+gossamer compact 50/36 cranks
kludge of 3 different cassettes for 12-14-16-17-18-19-21-24-28
wheels are dura ace hubs to open pro rims 2.0/1.7 butted in front and 2.0 drive side 1.8 non drive side in the rear, both 3x
built for to match my apartment and journey on vacations into the mountains.
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I spy a frame peeking out from the chair ruining your color coordination, what kind of frame is it? Really nice thin steel tubes on the croll!
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Originally Posted by tlupfer
my croll
59cm croll frame/fork reynolds 531
king headset
9 speed dura ace+gossamer compact 50/36 cranks
kludge of 3 different cassettes for 12-14-16-17-18-19-21-24-28
wheels are dura ace hubs to open pro rims 2.0/1.7 butted in front and 2.0 drive side 1.8 non drive side in the rear, both 3x
built for to match my apartment and journey on vacations into the mountains.
59cm croll frame/fork reynolds 531
king headset
9 speed dura ace+gossamer compact 50/36 cranks
kludge of 3 different cassettes for 12-14-16-17-18-19-21-24-28
wheels are dura ace hubs to open pro rims 2.0/1.7 butted in front and 2.0 drive side 1.8 non drive side in the rear, both 3x
built for to match my apartment and journey on vacations into the mountains.
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