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    The definitive Look Keo vs Shimano pedal thread

    Speak out if you've used both. Is the noise the cleats make the only negative about the Keo? Pedals seem like a safe place to save some easy weight. I'm looking at the Keo Carbon/chromo axles vs Shimano Ultegra PD-6620. What about cleat wear/cost?

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    They make noise?
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    My Shimano cleats last way too long. I just replaced mine after 18+ months. And I do walk around in them, though not excessively.

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    Ive had both. The 6620 is a superior pedal in just about every way except weight. The cleats last longer and the platform is much wider.

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    I like my Keo classics. The platform is wide enough, even for my wider-than-average feet. They don't make any noise that I've noticed. I've ridden the older Shimanos, but not the new ones. I liked them. I'm intrigued by the new design...I may try them in the future.

    I know a lot of Keo riders have had trouble with rapid wear and cracking/breaking of the cleats. My gray cleats are holding up pretty well after 6 months of regular use. I'm considering getting a new set just in case, but I don't think I'll actually need them any time soon. Having said that, they'll probably break tomorrow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayC
    Ive had both. The 6620 is a superior pedal in just about every way except weight. The cleats last longer and the platform is much wider.
    Funny, I've had both and my personal preference for no particular reason is the LOOK. I don't think you can go wromng with either.

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    Look's cleats suck. Thats my biggest complaint with Look pedals. If Look had Shimano's durability, it would be a coin toss for most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayC
    Look's cleats suck. Thats my biggest complaint with Look pedals. If Look had Shimano's durability, it would be a coin toss for most people.
    I have not found Shimano cleats to be that durable, especially walking on hot asphalt. I had to replace a pair during the AIDS ride because the yellow tips wore down from walking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayC
    Look's cleats suck. Thats my biggest complaint with Look pedals. If Look had Shimano's durability, it would be a coin toss for most people.
    Yeah but DA's have that little plastic platform thing that wears out. I know Shimano gives you an extra but that's one thing that really turned me off to those pedals. I have no issues w/ look cleats.

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    I have both and like both. Specifically, Look Keo Sprints and Shimano Ultegra SPD-SL's, the 6600 series, I think. I use cleat covers religiously and have not had the wear issues with the Keo cleats that others have reported. Nor have I had the noise issues some people report. I did have very annoying creaks from Look Delta-style cleats, but not with the Keos. Basically, it's hard for me to see how you could go wrong with either. Choosing between them really comes down to personal preference; they're both great pedals!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nox tuboid
    Yeah but DA's have that little plastic platform thing that wears out. I know Shimano gives you an extra but that's one thing that really turned me off to those pedals. I have no issues w/ look cleats.
    Except the OP specifically mentioned 6620 Ultegra pedals. Those are the new ones and they no longer have the plastic insert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nox tuboid
    Yeah but DA's have that little plastic platform thing that wears out. I know Shimano gives you an extra but that's one thing that really turned me off to those pedals. I have no issues w/ look cleats.
    The 6620s dont have the plastic platform so I guess you rode the old style Shimano pedal and not the new ones.

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    I assumed the 6620 cleats were the same as the 6610's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nox tuboid
    Yeah but DA's have that little plastic platform thing that wears out. I know Shimano gives you an extra but that's one thing that really turned me off to those pedals. I have no issues w/ look cleats.
    I have the D/A PD-7750s with the nylon/plastic insert plate: I didn't get and extra plate. (or at least I will check my pedal box if I can find it with my bike stuff). I had to special order from LBS and Shimano reports no availability until 9/2007.

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    even though my keo cleats wear out too fast, I still prefer them over Shimmy.
    Doesn't make any noise either....just that satisfying deep click as it engages!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbayoo
    I assumed the 6620 cleats were the same as the 6610's.
    I believe they are. Just the platform itself is wider.

    Ive walked in my cleats a lot and they still look great. I can see where hot asphalt could do a number on them tho.

    I broke too many sets of KEO cleats to be comfortable riding them. Even using covers religiously, I still has some break in 2-3 weeks of being installed.

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    I just got a pair of the 6620s, the platform is wider and it now has a stainless steel replaceable wear plate. I have not used the look pedals. I like the wider platform on the 6620s it has come in handy since it seems the binding is tighter, even with it set to almost the lowest setting it takes some effort to get out of and I am still not quite right on target clipping in. They are nice a shiny

    I have been using he yellow cleats for about 2.5 years now and I have only gone through one pair. They hold up really well for me, but I don't do much walking in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyD
    They make noise?
    +1 Mine don't make any noise.

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    My keos generally only make noise after they've gotten wet (washing them or riding in the rain). Generally it just requires some lube and they're taken care of.

    On the subject of wear: I've never used the shimanos, so can't speak to those, but my keo cleats are on 6 months (deltas would normally get around 4-5 months for me) and still going. I think I'll need a new pair soon, but so far so good.
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    I have a guy I ride with that swears by Ritchey's, or Speedplays claiming the Frog's are the best pedals you can guy..commented that I hadn't done my homework and read enough reviews when purchasing my Keo Sprints. Allot of folks in our group ride use MTB pedals and shoes.

    As for me, my first road pedals were Looks, and I've always liked the feel and platform as well as the look of them. Haven't had any problems with cleats breaking..sure they wear, but more if you drag them during stopping and don't use covers. Picked up covers for the first time and they make a big difference when walking. My Specialized Carbon Comp shoes also have a good heel bumper that makes walking easy, and I'm liking my set up.

    Anyone ride Speedplays? For road cycling I've just always preferred a larger platform.

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    I had Keo Sprint's and just dumped them in favor of Speedplay. The cleats wear out in only a few months and they crack/break too easily. It isn't worth it to replace the cleats 2 or more times/year on top of the initial cost of the pedals. Even with cleat covers it makes no difference.

    Never used Shimano pedals so don't know how they wear.
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    I decided to go with the wider platformed Shimano 6610's and have not regretted it. I was having difficulty choosing between the Keo's and Shimano's. I tried on several brands of shoes. The Shimano SH-R130B shoes that I tried felt so much more comfortable than Sidi's and other brands. That made up my mind to just go all Shimano! My bike has Shimano Ultegra and Shimano wheels also.

    I replaced my cleats before they were completely worn. It was getting harder to clip in and the change in depth of the cleat was starting to hurt my knees. I wish there were cleat covers available. As indicated in another reply, I have kept the pedals in the lowest setting with no clip outs.
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    I like my Keo Sprints, but you gotta beware of the seemingly flimsier plastic of the cleats. Granted, this happened during a fall and it's better the cleat break than my ankle. A few others mentioned the breaking of Keo cleats in this thread.

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    Keos are lighter.
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    I like my keo carbons a lot. Cleats wear fairly fast if you don't use covers but all plastic cleats wear out pretty fast IMO. Never had one break even after realizing the front lip was paper thin at one point before I changed it out. I've had 3 sets of the older Looks and squeaking was an issue but they seemed to have solved it with the Keos, they have never squeaked on me or anyone I know that uses them. I have friends who swear by the shims too so you really can't go wrong with either, slight weight penalty on the shims but so you may want to lose a few ounces of fat to make up the difference.

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