What percentage of TDF riders ride Zipps (or other deep aero wheel) on road stages.
07-14-07, 03:28 PM
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What percentage of TDF riders ride Zipps (or other deep aero wheel) on road stages.
While watching the TDF, I did an unscientific tally of how many guys were riding Zipps, I saw maybe one set, and in fact, I saw very few pairs of deep aero wheels. But I saw many, many pairs of completely non-aero wheels.
So what is the obsession on this board with Zipps? If they gave the huge race advantage that many here claim they give, why isn't everyone in the tour using them. If they were so great, then all the tour riders would have to ride them to eek out that extra second or two that the Zipp heads claim they get.
So why doesn't the whole TDF peleton ride Zipps?
So what is the obsession on this board with Zipps? If they gave the huge race advantage that many here claim they give, why isn't everyone in the tour using them. If they were so great, then all the tour riders would have to ride them to eek out that extra second or two that the Zipp heads claim they get.
So why doesn't the whole TDF peleton ride Zipps?
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07-14-07, 03:31 PM
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Gee, I did the same thing the other day and at least half the riders had those wheels. I would guess you won't see them in a mountain stage as much (they'd have lighter climbing wheels).
Zipp 404 tubulars are light (1300 grams/set) AND aero. I don't know what the pros do. I know what helps me in the rides/races I participate in. Zipps friggin RULE. But if you're skeptical, stay far away from them. The fewer pairs of these in the local racer weenie peloton the easier my cycling life gets.
They're too pricey anyway. Buy a really neato 2nd bike with that nifty Shimano Ultegra stuff.
Zipp 404 tubulars are light (1300 grams/set) AND aero. I don't know what the pros do. I know what helps me in the rides/races I participate in. Zipps friggin RULE. But if you're skeptical, stay far away from them. The fewer pairs of these in the local racer weenie peloton the easier my cycling life gets.
They're too pricey anyway. Buy a really neato 2nd bike with that nifty Shimano Ultegra stuff.
07-14-07, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
While watching the TDF, I did an unscientific tally of how many guys were riding Zipps, I saw maybe one set, and in fact, I saw very few pairs of deep aero wheels. But I saw many, many pairs of completely non-aero wheels.
So what is the obsession on this board with Zipps? If they gave the huge race advantage that many here claim they give, why isn't everyone in the tour using them. If they were so great, then all the tour riders would have to ride them to eek out that extra second or two that the Zipp heads claim they get.
So why doesn't the whole TDF peleton ride Zipps?
So what is the obsession on this board with Zipps? If they gave the huge race advantage that many here claim they give, why isn't everyone in the tour using them. If they were so great, then all the tour riders would have to ride them to eek out that extra second or two that the Zipp heads claim they get.
So why doesn't the whole TDF peleton ride Zipps?
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07-14-07, 04:02 PM
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I'm seeing a lot of deep rear/shallow front combos this year.
Anyone see Wiggins toss the Bora the other day?
Anyone see Wiggins toss the Bora the other day?
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
So why doesn't the whole TDF peleton ride Zipps?
If you were watching today, you didn't see a lot of deep aero wheels because most riders would have switched to lower profile (and lighter) climbing wheels.
Originally Posted by marqueemoon
Anyone see Wiggins toss the Bora the other day?
07-14-07, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
While watching the TDF, I did an unscientific tally of how many guys were riding Zipps, I saw maybe one set, ...
https://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...ur077/DV209017
07-14-07, 04:37 PM
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07-14-07, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by asgelle
Unscientific is the operative word. You need to count better
https://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...ur077/DV209017
https://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20...ur077/DV209017
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07-14-07, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
And yours is scientific? I don't see any numbers, just a picture with 7-10 guys. Oh, I guess you ran out of fingers so thats the highest you can count.
Hint: it's the same as the number of Zipp wheels you saw.
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On a flat stage you will see the majority of riders on DV wheels. When the road tilts up they go with the shallow lightweight wheels. If you did your count today you would see few DV wheels as this was day for the climbers.
07-14-07, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by El Diablo Rojo
On a flat stage you will see the majority of riders on DV wheels. When the road tilts up they go with the shallow lightweight wheels. If you did your count today you would see few DV wheels as this was day for the climbers.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
Maybe fewer, but it looks like at least CSC, T-Mobile, and Caisse d'Epargne were mostly on deep rims today.
07-14-07, 05:52 PM
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why am i lately spending so much time lingering over el diablo rojo's posts...?
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Originally Posted by Ostuni
why am i lately spending so much time lingering over el diablo rojo's posts...?
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Picking 3 or 4 pictures that prove your point is no more scientific than watching the tour for 2 minutes and counting.
Random sampling is the cats meow.
Random sampling is the cats meow.
07-14-07, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hocam
Picking 3 or 4 pictures that prove your point is no more scientific than watching the tour for 2 minutes and counting.
Random sampling is the cats meow.
Random sampling is the cats meow.
If you're worried about the claim being there was only one Zipp branded deep set, this wil disprove that:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20.../tour077/fs032
https://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/20.../tour077/fs039
You may want to take a look at the comment about disproving a hypothesis above. I'm not trying to prove anything.
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
So why doesn't the whole TDF peleton ride Zipps?
Filippo Pozzato, for example won stage 5 on these:
07-14-07, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by operator
Worst debate ever.
My proposition is that deep aero wheels give very little advantage because the pros don't even use them. If Deep aero wheels were that good, everyone in the TDF would be riding them all the time.
If you think thats a stupid debate, don't post.
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07-14-07, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
My proposition is that deep aero wheels give very little advantage because the pros don't even use them.
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
My proposition is that deep aero wheels give very little advantage because the pros don't even use them. If Deep aero wheels were that good, everyone in the TDF would be riding them all the time.
If you think thats a stupid debate, don't post.
If you think thats a stupid debate, don't post.
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Originally Posted by asgelle
Which as we've seen here is incorrect as shown in the several photographs from today's mountain stage showing many riders with them. There is no question that the pros do use them. The only reasonable question is why is it that some use deep carbon rims in a climbing stage and some not?