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    First TT bike

    Seeking opinions/advice on selecting a first TT bike. I've done the clip-on-bar thing in the past and would like to go with a dedicated bike. I used the search function and read everything I could find here. Has anyone ridden or owned a Specialized Transition? Opinions?

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    ** Note: I meant to put this in the racing subforum. I have sent a PM to Rad asking him to move it.
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    Budget?

    For me, I'd probably go for that Fuji Aloha, I think it is. Seems like a good value, but I'm not in the market. The most important thing is the position it gets you into. After position, everything else (regarding the frameset) costs a whole lot and does very little.

    I recently lost one place in a TT to UT_Dude by like 0.1s, so I could have used a couple of small boosts, so some extra investment may be in order, but you won't get the utils on it very frequently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterrockets View Post
    Budget?

    For me, I'd probably go for that Fuji Aloha, I think it is. Seems like a good value, but I'm not in the market. The most important thing is the position it gets you into. After position, everything else (regarding the frameset) costs a whole lot and does very little.

    I recently lost one place in a TT to UT_Dude by like 0.1s, so I could have used a couple of small boosts, so some extra investment may be in order, but you won't get the utils on it very frequently.
    Not sure about the budget yet. Maybe 3k w/ training wheels.

    So how do you know which brand puts you in the best position? Very few dealers around here stock TT bikes (as far as I can tell) so I can't just visit a dealer and try them.
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    motobecane nemesis + 200 dollar pro fitting + a pair of really nice wheels = 3k

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    im having a tough time deciding between the aloha 1.0 and the Leader 735TT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edonis13 View Post
    im having a tough time deciding between the aloha 1.0 and the Leader 735TT.
    Man, the Cervelo P2/P3s seem sweet.
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    I bought mine on eBay for 1/2 price. It was one year old and hardly used. This is not hard to do with TT bikes.


    It came with older Ksyrium Elite wheels (I sold those on eBay) and otherwise in near-perfect condition for $2200. My LBS wanted about $4K for a similarly equipped Cannondale brand new. VERY happy with the purchase. I train on a set of Ksyrium SL's and will race on Zipp 404 tubulars.

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    ^^^ How did you know the frame would fit you? Fitting a TT bike is not the same as fitting a road bike.

    "The most important thing is the position it gets you into." - WaterRockets
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    ^^^ How did you know the frame would fit you? Fitting a TT bike is not the same as fitting a road bike.

    "The most important thing is the position it gets you into." - WaterRockets
    Good question. Go to your LBS and get a feel for the fit of the model(s) you have interest in there. A solid rule of thumb seems to be your road bike size -2cm. For example I ride a 56cm Six13 road bike, the Six13 Slice is a 54cm and fits me well. Ultimately getting a first TT bike to fit isn't easy. Took me nearly two months of trial and error, and I'm still told I can get lower and more forward. But this is how I'll be starting out. You have to find a balance between what looks good in photos, what you can handle and get comfortable with, and what lets you ride fast. So there is not easy answer to TT bike 'fit'.

    Of course at the end of the day this all applies to a brand new purchase too. You can buy new and learn a different size is in order. If you buy a TT rig the way I did, then selling your bike on eBay and getting another won't slam you nearly as hard.

    The next TT bike won't be nearly as hard. As a long-time roadie I had to learn how a TT bike is supposed to fit, and that was more of a learning experience than I ever anticipated. When I first rode a 54cm Slice my initial feeling was 'I can't ride this crazy thing'. It took 500 miles of tweaking the seat/handlebar positions and riding the evolving position to get to where I am now - comfortable on the bike, faster than I am on my road bike, and ready to race. I did get most of my help here by posting photos of my position as I gradually figured it out. Most of that was realizing over time that you can actually ride a bike in that falling forward/nose to the grindstone position. But it does take getting used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    Man, the Cervelo P2/P3s seem sweet.
    p2 sl is a slick looking machine for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edonis13 View Post
    p2 sl is a slick looking machine for the price.
    The Six13 Slice struck me as a better bike. Cannondale has a new all CF TT bike, I'd also check those out soon.

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    200 dollar eBay frame, 500 dollar PBK group, training wheels I was using as race spares, 30 dollar base bars (used), 25 dollar brake levers, spare seat and post, spare pedals, old carbon clipons...

    In for under a g

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    Pcad:

    Have you tracked your MHR though the years?
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    ^^^ Also, do you use the same saddle as your road bike. The TT position seems so radical compared to a road set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    Pcad:

    Have you tracked your MHR though the years?
    My Max HR was 195 or so up until age 42 when I stopped riding completely for 5 years due to serious back issues. Started riding again in 205 @ age 47, now my MHR is about 185 (I've seen 188 once). And getting my HR above 180 requires a *very* hard effort, the kind that you get subjected to in races/competiive rides. In solo training I rarely see 180+. Your MHR goes down as you age, your RHR goes up. So you have that to look forward to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geist View Post
    ^^^ Also, do you use the same saddle as your road bike. The TT position seems so radical compared to a road set up.
    Pcad's isn't that radical. Ideally the back should be horizontally level:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:D...Time_Trial.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    Pcad's isn't that radical. Ideally the back should be horizontally level:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:D...Time_Trial.jpg


    #1) That's a 27 year old PRO TT guy, one of the fastest on the planet. I'm a 49 year old weekend warrior.

    #2) Compared to the triathlete positions I see, or compared to what you're used to on your road bike, the TT position on my bike IS radical.

    Until you do it, you don't really know how you will adapt to it or how close you can get to a pro's position. I didn't. It's a learning process. You have to RIDE the bike in that position and see how it feels. And as I pointed out, I may well get lower and more radical as this evolves. If you think you're going to look like Mr. Zabriskie on your first attempt at a real TT bike, you may find it's easier on paper than in reality.
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    Man, sitting on the nose of that seat like Dave Z must be a real hoot after 25 miles.
    It's not how many miles you ride, but how hard you ride them. Time trials aren't races.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rizz View Post
    Man, sitting on the nose of that seat like Dave Z must be a real hoot after 25 miles.
    It's actually more comfortable than other alternatives...

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    #1) That's a 27 year old PRO TT guy, one of the fastest on the planet. I'm a 49 year old weekend warrior.

    #2) Compared to the triathlete positions I see, or compared to what you're used to on your road bike, the TT position on my bike IS radical.

    Until you do it, you don't really know how you will adapt to it or how close you can get to a pro's position. I didn't. It's a learning process. You have to RIDE the bike in that position and see how it feels. And as I pointed out, I may well get lower and more radical as this evolves. If you think you're going to look like Mr. Zabriskie on your first attempt at a real TT bike, you may find it's easier on paper than in reality.
    Chill Pcad; it wasn't meant as an insult. Non of us are going to look like one the best TT riders in the world. I just wanted to show the dude what an ideal, wind-tunnel-honed position looks like. Besides, you've done something Dave Z. could never handle; 100,000+ miles around NY.
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    B. Julich would be a DEAD man around here. Dead. He can't even ride on a closed TDF TT course without crashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Your MHR goes down as you age, your RHR goes up. So you have that to look forward to.
    That's what I've always heard, but, apparently, it's not quite that simple. That's why I'm looking for data. WaterRockets, for example, has dropped 2 BPM in 16 years. There's an 87 yo rider whose MHR hasn't dropped in over 30 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666 View Post
    That's what I've always heard, but, apparently, it's not quite that simple. That's why I'm looking for data. WaterRockets, for example, has dropped 2 BPM in 16 years. There's an 87 yo rider whose MHR hasn't dropped in over 30 years.
    HR #'s are quite individual. My Max HR is supposed to be 220-50 which is 170, but it's really more like 185+. My MHR has always been at least 10bpm higher than the typical formula dictates, and higher than friends who are the same age or even 3-5 years younger. I saw a drop of about 10bpm from age 35 to age 49, but it's quite possible that had I remained an active cyclist all those years (again, a five year hiatus) that drop would have been less dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    Good question. Go to your LBS and get a feel for the fit of the model(s) you have interest in there. A solid rule of thumb seems to be your road bike size -2cm. For example I ride a 56cm Six13 road bike, the Six13 Slice is a 54cm and fits me well. Ultimately getting a first TT bike to fit isn't easy. Took me nearly two months of trial and error, and I'm still told I can get lower and more forward. But this is how I'll be starting out. You have to find a balance between what looks good in photos, what you can handle and get comfortable with, and what lets you ride fast. So there is not easy answer to TT bike 'fit'.

    Of course at the end of the day this all applies to a brand new purchase too. You can buy new and learn a different size is in order. If you buy a TT rig the way I did, then selling your bike on eBay and getting another won't slam you nearly as hard.
    If you get the fit for free on a model of your liking, at an LBS, then go and buy it off Ebay, they will want to shoot you. Unless it is a shop you never visit, in which case, it is still not right to do, but you won't have to deal with an angry LBS that used to be friendly. Fitting a bike is 'included' in the total cost of a bike form an LBS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shogun17 View Post
    If you get the fit for free on a model of your liking, at an LBS, then go and buy it off Ebay, they will want to shoot you. Unless it is a shop you never visit, in which case, it is still not right to do, but you won't have to deal with an angry LBS that used to be friendly. Fitting a bike is 'included' in the total cost of a bike form an LBS.
    I never advised anybody to waste their LBS's time getting fit for a TT bike. I didn't do that. I pulled a couple off the rack and sat on them. You can get a feel for bike fit without wasting anyone's time.

    My LBS has dealt with my ebay purchases nicely because if they shoot Pcad their annual sales will plummet measurably overnight. As for a bike fitting being worth anything, that depends completely on the competence of the LBS, and that varies greatly. If an LBS isn't grateful for the substantial business they get from me, they won't get much more. If I decide to buy a couple of items off eBay that's my affair. I purchased three bicycles worth about $6K for my family over the past two years from that LBS plus plenty of other items. I buy all my parts and most of my clothing/cycling accessories there too.

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