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Old 10-23-07, 09:49 PM
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Since when did Taiwan become high end...

I have had many low end bikes in my child hood and late teen years come from Taiwan. Now all I hear on this forum is that the carbon fiber this or that is the cats meow? I'm missing something here? Taiwan makes crap. They are bottom barrel slave driver products. I buy clothing and shoes second hand because I know outsourced consumer products are made with shoddy labor practices...

Where do some of you guys get off calling something a nice bike when you know damn well it is made from slave labor...Oh and FYI my bicycle was made with union labor..
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet
I have had many low end bikes in my child hood and late teen years come from Taiwan. Now all I hear on this forum is that the carbon fiber this or that is the cats meow? I'm missing something here? Taiwan makes crap. They are bottom barrel slave driver products. I buy clothing and shoes second hand because I know outsourced consumer products are made with shoddy labor practices...

Where do some of you guys get off calling something a nice bike when you know damn well it is made from slave labor...Oh and FYI my bicycle was made with union labor..
Show me one instance where Taiwan uses slave labor.

I often wonder why people like to bash Taiwan and China so much, about the quality of product coming from those countries.
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op has no idea what he is talking about.
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Originally Posted by Ih8lucky13
Show me one instance where Taiwan uses slave labor.

I often wonder why people like to bash Taiwan and China so much, about the quality of product coming from those countries.
Its called bias and bigotry. I've met people who will not purchase a product because it came from X country. Yet they have never tried the product to form an intelligent opinion. Ignorance is for the ignorant.
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and you call yourself a "senior" member. Which hole did u come out from ?
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Just curious, where was the computer made that you used to make that post?

Back on topic...

Having owned bikes made in the USA, Japan, Italy, and Taiwan, I have to say that the only problem I had was with one of my USA made frames. If the frame is well made I would tend to ignore the political and economic part of the bike buying equation and purchase what I felt was best for me.

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Originally Posted by ravenmore
op has no idea what he is talking about.
+1

OP=tool.
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Just curious, where was the computer made that you used to make that post?

Back on topic...



To the OP;

I'm interested, what bike do you ride that is Union made?
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet
Where do some of you guys get off calling something a nice bike when you know damn well it is made from slave labor...Oh and FYI my bicycle was made with union labor..
This is not meant to be a hostile question, just a question. What kind of bicycle do you have?

For the record I agree with the respondents above who disagree with you.
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Yes, what is a union made bicycle and can we see pictures of it?
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet
I have had many low end bikes in my child hood and late teen years come from Taiwan. Now all I hear on this forum is that the carbon fiber this or that is the cats meow? I'm missing something here? Taiwan makes crap. They are bottom barrel slave driver products. I buy clothing and shoes second hand because I know outsourced consumer products are made with shoddy labor practices...

Where do some of you guys get off calling something a nice bike when you know damn well it is made from slave labor...Oh and FYI my bicycle was made with union labor..
A transparent, poorly conceived troll. Baseless contention with the assumption that the alternative is inherently better. Misplaced ellipses. However, this thread will reach at least 2 pages. Odds of the original poster replying to this thread are likely less than 50 percent. 6/10, you could do better.
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I've worked and setup factories in China for several years now. I think the Western worlds don't understand the culture and societies of third world countries and are quick to label them.

Before you start denouncing companies and their labor practices, learn the facts. Not what you read on the internet or watch on the CNN. You can't believe everything you hear on TV. These are still a western bias view. You have to understand it from their viewpoint, NOT Western standards.
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Since when did Taiwan become high end...
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These are still a western bias view. You have to understand it from their viewpoint, NOT Western standards.
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https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Taiwan+italian

and way before
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25 years ago and today, things change buddy!

Just look at the USA, less tha ten years ago you had Bill Clinton, one of the best economic stewards of the free world, now ya all got Dubya....see my point..fortunes change ha ha ha ha
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25 years ago and today, things change buddy!

Just look at the USA, less tha ten years ago you had Bill Clinton, one of the best economic stewards of the free world, now ya all got Dubya....see my point..fortunes change ha ha ha ha
and now our dollar is worth less than the canadian...THE CANADIAN!!!
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Originally Posted by SoreFeet
I have had many low end bikes in my child hood and late teen years come from Taiwan. Now all I hear on this forum is that the carbon fiber this or that is the cats meow? I'm missing something here? Taiwan makes crap. They are bottom barrel slave driver products. I buy clothing and shoes second hand because I know outsourced consumer products are made with shoddy labor practices...

Where do some of you guys get off calling something a nice bike when you know damn well it is made from slave labor...Oh and FYI my bicycle was made with union labor..

sorefeet is channelling alanbikehouston.
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Originally Posted by mtnwalker
Its called bias and bigotry. I've met people who will not purchase a product because it came from X country. Yet they have never tried the product to form an intelligent opinion. Ignorance is for the ignorant.
I can see an argument for not buying from China due to communism. I would support the "renegade province " however without question with my purchases.

There are many Christians jailed in China for their faith. No one seems to care.
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Originally Posted by BHBiker
25 years ago and today, things change buddy!

Just look at the USA, less tha ten years ago you had Bill Clinton, one of the best economic stewards of the free world, now ya all got Dubya....see my point..fortunes change ha ha ha ha
You have a short memory. Things busted at the end of Clinton's term. They have slowely gotten better ever since despite the real estate bubble and high gas prices.
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Originally Posted by BHBiker
Bill Clinton, one of the best economic stewards of the free world,
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Originally Posted by texascyclist
I can see an argument for not buying from China due to communism. I would support the "renegade province " however without question with my purchases.

There are many Christians jailed in China for their faith. No one seems to care.
The Communist Party of China is hardly communist.

And the US is no fluffy bunny of human rights.

But how many times have we had these pointless discussions about asian-made bicycles? And has anything ever been accomplished? No.


Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along now. On you go...
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Someone please, please, bring back RyanF so that we have more intelligent topics to discuss.
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