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    Frame flex is such an overrated topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
    Well, i spoke to a friend and his sister-in-law has a cousin who's a barber for a mechanic and this mechanic worked in a shop where the owner's wife once dated another mechanic who met a rider for CSC and the rider told the mechanic who told his ex-girlfriend who told her husband who told his mechanic who told his barber who told his cousin who told her husband who told his brother who told me the frames are fine. So I'm sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by recneps View Post
    I'm sure the guys who think the R3 is a stiff bike are the same guys who think that scandium frames are lively and the easton slx fork is the stiffest theyeve ever ridden.

    The stiffness reviews of the r3 are all done by weight, as a divisor.

    Heres what a teamate of mine has to say about the r3, http://www.serotta.com/forum/showthr...ighlight=flexy

    Think what you want, I'm done with this thread.
    Actually, they aren't. A measurement of 100 nm per degree has nothing to do with weight.

    Please read:

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/fo...our+frame+test
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    Hi, Can you explain this seat clamping issue a bit more? My saddle dropped unexpectedly this weekend while away cycling. I popped into a shop to get it tightened as I didn't have any tools on me. he happened to be a cervelo dealer and was about to tighten the collar when he pointed out a small hairline crack (about the size of a penny) on the frame just under the seat clamp where the seat tube meets the top tube. He said that that could explain why the saddle dropped. He said he'd tighten it to torque 5 (proper tightness) and that if it dropped again it was definitely an issue with the frame. Sure enough it dropped again within 10 miles. I brought it to my nearest cervelo dealer yesterday who said that was ridiculous and it's just a paint scratch (though it doesn't feel like a normal paint scratch). But he still can't explain why they seat post won't stay up now. I'm bringing it to a third party carbon expert to get their opinion today before I strip it down and ask my shop to send it to Cervelo.. but i'm just wondering if that sounds like what you experienced with your R3? I've never come off mine or had any type of crashes. Glad to hear you didn't have any issues dealing with Cervelo's warranty department..
    Thanks for your thoughts..

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    You might not get a reply from the members who posted here more than five years ago. I would repost your question in the Mechanics forum: Bicycle Mechanics
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    What's the point of bashing a bike?
    Personally, I don't like Cervelo's, but for no real reason. I think that they're ugly, and I can't figure out what they are. Is a Cervelo a Canadian bike, pretending to be Italian or Spanish, but being manufactured in Taiwan?
    But if someone likes one, then they should get one and be happy with it.
    I ride a Trek (which has little love here on the former 41), in fact I have four Trek bikes. Two road, one Tri & one MTN. And I like all of them.
    There are lovers & naysayers of every brand out there.
    Buy & ride what you like.

    Who gives a s**t what others think of this brand vs that brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Skeleton View Post
    What's the point of bashing a bike?
    Personally, I don't like Cervelo's, but for no real reason. I think that they're ugly, and I can't figure out what they are. Is a Cervelo a Canadian bike, pretending to be Italian or Spanish, but being manufactured in Taiwan?
    But if someone likes one, then they should get one and be happy with it.
    I ride a Trek (which has little love here on the former 41), in fact I have four Trek bikes. Two road, one Tri & one MTN. And I like all of them.
    There are lovers & naysayers of every brand out there.
    Buy & ride what you like.

    Who gives a s**t what others think of this brand vs that brand.
    6 year old post...things might have changed some

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    Carbon assembly paste will help with the seat post slipping.
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    OR YOU COULD STAY HOME AND FALL OFF THE COUCH AND DIE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Skeleton View Post
    Is a Cervelo a Canadian bike, pretending to be Italian or Spanish, but being manufactured in Taiwan?
    Welcome to the modern world, nationality is not terribly meaningful in most manufacturing in the world at the moment. Even the Trek bike that has a "Made in the USA" sticker - looks like it is meaningfully American-manufactured, but it is probably not. With few exceptions "made in the USA" in the bike industry means "fabricated in Asia, finishing touches (ie painting, assembly, stickers) in the USA".

    But beyond that, Marinoni is also Canadian, as is Devinci - that is the thing with Canada, full of immigrants. Cervelo is a mash-up of an Italian word and a French one. Toronto (Cervelo) and Montreal (Marinoni, Devinci) both have large, well-established Italian communities. And, of course, French is an official language in Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesley36 View Post
    Welcome to the modern world, nationality is not terribly meaningful in most manufacturing in the world at the moment. Even the Trek bike that has a "Made in the USA" sticker - looks like it is meaningfully American-manufactured, but it is probably not. With few exceptions "made in the USA" in the bike industry means "fabricated in Asia, finishing touches (ie painting, assembly, stickers) in the USA".
    I was only pointing out how one persons (mine) dislike of a bike brand can be completely arbitrary & based on something that has nothing to do with how the bike performs.
    As far as Trek's "Made in the USA" claims, they only do that for the Madone 6 & 7 series bikes, which are hand built in the USA. But the components are manufactured all over the world. Trek's Domane 6 series is advertised as "Designed & assembled in Waterloo."
    The difference with American Brands (Sram, Trek, Specialized) is that they may have manufacturing done overseas, but corporate profits stay in the USA. Wow, did I get off topic.

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    For what it's worth, Three people I know personally (none of them race) have had to send back their Cervelo R3's for replacements due to cracks. One of the guys is on his THIRD frame even, after two of them showed cracks. There's lots of backlash in this thread talking down at the LBS for his reference of it being a crack prone frame, but I believe there may be some legitimacy to it (maybe not 150 frames/yr., but who knows).

    I've also heard the same thing about the Cannondale Supersix Evo Hi-mod. Super light frame that seems to be a bit under engineered and prone to cracking. It's enough of a reason for me not to look at them for future purchase. There are plenty of other options out there. Even if warranty replacement is painless and quick, I don't take frame cracks lightly.

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    The cracking issues were with the pre BBright threaded bottom brackets.
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    I do think the thread title deserved revival, even if for the wrong reasons...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post
    Yeah, I'll tell people that I heard it from a good source on BF.

    You dont really tell people you come here, do you?
    Originally posted by Whyfi "Who needs thumbs when you can lick yourself?"

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    GAH! Zombie thread got me!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExMachina View Post
    Can anybody confirm or refute the R3's apparent fragility?
    Not really. Data isn't the plural of anecdote.

    What I can say is I've had mine for a few years now, and I love it. It's still in fantastic shape which doesn't really mean anything and is to be expected. It's nimble like a gazelle, fast like a cheetah, and stable like a tank, which is a surprising combination. Great climber and descender. Fun bike to ride. I've had mine over about 10 mountain passes here in the Pacific Northwest.

    When people use superlatives or anything close to them (One of the worst frames out there? In the same class as a GMC Denali?) it usually means they don't know what they're talking about and they're being dramatic to make up for it. On top of that, a salesman talked you out of buying a bike his shop doesn't sell. I see some red flags flying in the wind here.



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