Six13 - Change in manufacturing process ?
01-16-08, 09:40 AM
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Six13 - Change in manufacturing process ?
Hi All,
I read somewhere recently that Cannondale changed the way they manufacture or join the carbon & alu tubes together on their 2007 (2008?) frames ?
Can someone describe in more detail the how & why behind this change and if it's had any affect on the over performance of the frame ?
Thanks,
J.
I read somewhere recently that Cannondale changed the way they manufacture or join the carbon & alu tubes together on their 2007 (2008?) frames ?
Can someone describe in more detail the how & why behind this change and if it's had any affect on the over performance of the frame ?
Thanks,
J.
01-16-08, 11:00 AM
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The new 2008 Six/13 frame is significantly different. If you look at the front of yours you'll see the two metal badges on the head tube. They hide two holes, through which the old frame tubing was interlocked...the carbon tube was soft and expanded to interlock with the aluminum so that they were a single interlocked tube...since you have a clear coated Six/13 you'll know what I mean.
The new one's not constructed that way, using a less expensive process (not interlocked...if you look at the front of the new Six/13, note the difference in the head tube...there's just a C logo there). Less expensive process part of how they can offer this frame with Tiagra for about $1,350.
The new one's not constructed that way, using a less expensive process (not interlocked...if you look at the front of the new Six/13, note the difference in the head tube...there's just a C logo there). Less expensive process part of how they can offer this frame with Tiagra for about $1,350.
https://bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=5931037
read the whole thread as there is a lot more info there.
01-16-08, 12:00 PM
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Just to add to Jynx's post, I was talking with my lbs about this change yestedray and he got a C'dale tech rep on the phone to answer our questions. As stated above, the change was cost driven. The tech rep said the end result is pretty much indistinguishible performance-wise, but I've heard others say that the '08's are actually a little stiffer laterally.
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"Cost driven"? Wouldn't have anything to do with the lawsuit from VyaTek: https://www.allbusiness.com/retail-tr...4147348-1.html
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"Cost driven"? Wouldn't have anything to do with the lawsuit from VyaTek: https://www.allbusiness.com/retail-tr...4147348-1.html
They happily manufactured bikes the same way they did in '06 in '07.
Thank you.
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Just to add to Jynx's post, I was talking with my lbs about this change yestedray and he got a C'dale tech rep on the phone to answer our questions. As stated above, the change was cost driven. The tech rep said the end result is pretty much indistinguishible performance-wise, but I've heard others say that the '08's are actually a little stiffer laterally.
Same carbon, less expensive process so they can offer that frame on a bike for a little over $1,300.
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Hmmm....not to go off track with the thread completely but you wonder if Cannondale will decide to ditch either the CAAD9 or Six13 in the next year or so.........
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A 24 month turn-around on a manufacturing change due to lawsuit is pretty standard across the board. Particularly if the judge finds that the company at fault was operating in good faith...
Anything requiring more immediate action (catastrophic failures, people being hospitalized) usually results in a temporary shelving of the model entirely, as only one year to re-tool, re-material, and possibly re-contract is pretty impossible to do...
Companies already push to meet product quotas as is, and swinging a major unplanned product change in mid-stride is unheard of... smaller changes happen that way sometimes, like changing up a faulty clearcoat, etc. etc... but not a whole different way of constructing a frame...
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So if the tubes aren't interlocked the same way anymore how are they joined together ?
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What would a good condition used Six13 frameset go for these days?
