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    sick and tired of this crap

    `David Walsh is a huge credit to his profession, Greg Lemond has more nobility and love for the sport in his left pinkie than almost every other pro cyclist around (notwithstanding a few of the new guys, I hope...), and Betsy Andreu deserves a medal for standing up to the abuse she`s had to go through from the hierarchy.

    The unsung heroes.`

    Discuss.

    [this post was spurred on by watching `hell on wheels` last night... I sat there watching with my wife saying `he cheated. him too... and him... oh, him too... yep, and him... that dog? nah, think the dog was clean... but he cheated, him too...` it would have been funny if it wasn`t so sad]

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    who cares.

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    people that love the sport?

    people that can still shrug off the shroud of cynicism and get pissed off with these people who smile, lie and cheat?

    maybe them?

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    I had a Selle Italia poster in my office with Basso. I liked the guy. I tried to educate my co-workers on the sport (I work in the industry).

    Then I took it down.

    Now I have a whiteboard with a list of stuff I need to get done.

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    ZZZ uh?

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    you're sick and tired of it, but you want to discuss it?
    Food for thought: if you aren't dead by 2050, you and your entire family will be within a few years from starvation. Now that is a cruel gift to leave for your offspring. ;)
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    Seems to me the sport got along just fine until all the puritanical johnny-come-lately outsiders decided it was "sick". Now, instead of enjoying bike racing, we are bombarded from all directions by accusations, bans, sponsor withdrawals, and race cancellations.

    So a serious suggestion: all of you folks who are so dreadfully concerned about the state of the sport can **** off back to the health club or wherever you came from, and the rest of us can get back to enjoying the sport as it was successfully practiced for the past hundred years or so.

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    blah, blah, etc.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AEO View Post
    you're sick and tired of it, but you want to discuss it?
    And the winner is.........^^^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamic View Post
    who cares.
    Almost nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kesa101 View Post
    people that love the sport?
    Almost nobody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    Seems to me the sport got along just fine until all the puritanical johnny-come-lately outsiders decided it was "sick". Now, instead of enjoying bike racing, we are bombarded from all directions by accusations, bans, sponsor withdrawals, and race cancellations.

    So a serious suggestion: all of you folks who are so dreadfully concerned about the state of the sport can **** off back to the health club or wherever you came from, and the rest of us can get back to enjoying the sport as it was successfully practiced for the past hundred years or so.
    That's right, stick your head in the sand...Makes it kinda tough to pedal...

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    Greg Lemond brought professional cycling to America and Americans. I thought he was great when I was younger. For the last 10 years, he has basically been bitter about any American successful in the European circuit. He badmouthed Armstrong from day 1 since he must be doping to ride so well. He did the same to Landis. I feel he was threatened by another American's success so he had to badmouth them. That is not very mature.

    Also, remember when Lemond rode, the drugs weren't even tested for. Nobody cared and the tour has been the testing grounds for performance drugs for 90 years. I have read about amphetimines, strichnine, pot bilge, etc. from the beginning of recorded time on the Tour. But holier than thou, Lemond will tell anyone who will listen that he was the only successful American rider who rode clean. Sour Grapes and Jealosy abound. I am not impressed.

    He has done so much for cycling, bull. He has made a damn good living off of it, period. Take these guys off the pedestals and look at them for who they really are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kesa101 View Post
    `David Walsh is a huge credit to his profession, Greg Lemond has more nobility and love for the sport in his left pinkie than almost every other pro cyclist around (notwithstanding a few of the new guys, I hope...), and Betsy Andreu deserves a medal for standing up to the abuse she`s had to go through from the hierarchy.

    The unsung heroes.`
    This entire post is BULLS@#$

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
    So a serious suggestion: all of you folks who are so dreadfully concerned about the state of the sport can **** off back to the health club or wherever you came from, and the rest of us can get back to enjoying the sport as it was successfully practiced for the past hundred years or so.
    +1

    cyclists have been cheating for as long as it has been a sport of cycling
    for that matter...
    humans have been cheating for as long as there have been humans

    the Tour de France was created by French newspaper owners for the sole purpose of selling more newspapers

    and what sells more newspapers?... a bunch of oddly dressed weenies who ride around on bikes?
    or a bunch of oddly dressed weenies who ride around on bikes AND cheat to win?

    ya don't mess with tradition!

    hmmm.... that would be a hilarious SouthPark episode. Oh wait... they did that yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbart4506 View Post
    That's right, stick your head in the sand...Makes it kinda tough to pedal...
    Yeah, this sport really sucked during the Hinault years. And the Gimondi years. And the Merckx years, the Bobet years, the Coppi years, the Pelissier years, the Girardengo years...

    During all that time the sport was no good and had no fans. Only during the last decade of witch hunts, scandals, massive-scale drug testing, and general anti-doping hysteria has the sport become interesting and watchable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dynamic
    Who cares?
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    Almost nobody.
    Including the sponsors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal View Post
    He badmouthed Armstrong from day 1 since he must be doping to ride so well. He did the same to Landis. I feel he was threatened by another American's success so he had to badmouth them. .

    Lemond was actually stating that Landis's win was probably the first clean win at the Tour in a long time. It was'nt until Floyd's positive test came to light when Lemond changed his opinion.

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    i like dope. but my KIND does NOT make me faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal View Post
    Greg Lemond brought professional cycling to America and Americans. I thought he was great when I was younger. For the last 10 years, he has basically been bitter about any American successful in the European circuit. He badmouthed Armstrong from day 1 since he must be doping to ride so well. He did the same to Landis. I feel he was threatened by another American's success so he had to badmouth them. That is not very mature.

    Also, remember when Lemond rode, the drugs weren't even tested for. Nobody cared and the tour has been the testing grounds for performance drugs for 90 years. I have read about amphetimines, strichnine, pot bilge, etc. from the beginning of recorded time on the Tour. But holier than thou, Lemond will tell anyone who will listen that he was the only successful American rider who rode clean. Sour Grapes and Jealosy abound. I am not impressed.

    He has done so much for cycling, bull. He has made a damn good living off of it, period. Take these guys off the pedestals and look at them for who they really are.
    Incorrect.

    Very incorrect.

    Completely incorrect.

    Just flat out wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donegal View Post
    Greg Lemond brought professional cycling to America and Americans. I thought he was great when I was younger. For the last 10 years, he has basically been bitter about any American successful in the European circuit. He badmouthed Armstrong from day 1 since he must be doping to ride so well. He did the same to Landis. I feel he was threatened by another American's success so he had to badmouth them. That is not very mature.

    Also, remember when Lemond rode, the drugs weren't even tested for. Nobody cared and the tour has been the testing grounds for performance drugs for 90 years. I have read about amphetimines, strichnine, pot bilge, etc. from the beginning of recorded time on the Tour. But holier than thou, Lemond will tell anyone who will listen that he was the only successful American rider who rode clean. Sour Grapes and Jealosy abound. I am not impressed.

    He has done so much for cycling, bull. He has made a damn good living off of it, period. Take these guys off the pedestals and look at them for who they really are.

    Also wrong. Strychnine* is rat poison. And WTF is "pot bilge"?

    *strychnine also was never present in LSD
    When you were 20, you spent a lot of time worrying about what other people thought about you. When you were 40, you realized that it didn't matter what other people thought about you. When you were 60, you realized that no one was ever paying attention.

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    Is this guy trying to sound like an older, cynical Ryanf?

    If serious.....at least spell things correctly, and try to avoid making yourself sound like a complete dumbass.

    have read about amphetimines, strichnine, pot bilge, etc. from the beginning of recorded time on the Tour.
    Really? You've been reading about it since the first Tour started?



    I am not impressed.
    When you were 20, you spent a lot of time worrying about what other people thought about you. When you were 40, you realized that it didn't matter what other people thought about you. When you were 60, you realized that no one was ever paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostBoizdown View Post
    Also wrong. Strychnine* is rat poison. And WTF is "pot bilge"?

    *strychnine also was never present in LSD
    Just google the words "tour de france" and "strychnine".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
    Incorrect.

    Very incorrect.

    Completely incorrect.

    Just flat out wrong.
    Which part is wrong? That there was no dope testing? Okay, there was dope testing, in the most technical sense of the word. Of course, they almost never caught anybody, despite the fact that widespread doping was an open secret, and when they did, nothing much was done about it. Dope testing for show, essentially.

    And yet for some reason, cycling during the time was immensely popular, which certainly seems to support the idea that nobody cared.

    Of course, now that the crusaders have taken it upon themselves to "save" the sport, things have gone completely to hell. Coincidence, no doubt.

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