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Old 05-15-08, 09:14 PM   #1
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can I get some honest opinions on velo vie frames?

Hi all, this is my first post here on BF.

I just recently got into cycling a couple months ago and I absolutely love the sport. I can't get enough. I originally bought a motobecane from bikesdirect because of a limited budget and I wasn't sure if I was going to really enjoy riding. It works just fine for me but I am definitely ready for an upgrade. I have been looking at velo vie's vitesse 300 and was wondering if you guys could give me your thoughts on the frame. The guys at my LBS dog on the frame saying its just a copy cat company and I should just wait until I can buy a cervelo. I've been doing as much research as I can on this frame and I think they're wrong. Obviously they are going to try and sell me one of their products and I understand that but I would still like an honest opinion.

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Old 05-15-08, 09:36 PM   #2
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it's a great frame and i believe a pretty reasonable price tag as well. then again i've never ridden one so who knows, this is word of mouth from a guy who i met at the races with one.
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Old 05-15-08, 09:40 PM   #3
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You can get the "Cer-hello" from Phallenthol. If you don't mind a naked carbon fiber frame, he's go some great frames.
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I've never heard of Velo Vie before. I could only find one other reference to the company on the boards using Google site search, and that was in reference to their TT bike - it was a rebadged Veloforma(as is Planet X, Pedal Force, etc.).

For that kind of money, unless you are 100% sure on your fit #s, I would find an LBS to sell you your next bike. You can get a Look 555 for example, a known commodity, with a couple hundred bucks to spare versus that price.

Besides, IMO that is one hideous graphics package. It looks like they put it together in Microsoft Word.
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Old 05-15-08, 09:50 PM   #5
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It's a generic Taiwanese/Chinese carbon fiber frame. Nothing wrong with that, there's a lot of great frames made there. But you can get generic carbon frame for cheaper elsewhere, Pedalforce being one example. (PF has different frames from a different generic maker). You have to decide if the graphics and logo on this one are worth it to you.

Another factor is how long the "manufacturer" (importer) will be around. If they fold then their warranty is worthless. I've had that happen once- Airborne, who brought in Chinese Ti frames. Fortunately the stopped honoring their warranty after I got my broken one replaced. The lesson I took away is to buy from someone that I think will be around, or to get stuff so cheap that if it breaks and I can't get it warrantied, I'm not too disappointed.
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Good bikes, from what I hear from my teammates. We have lots of guys riding Velo Vies. Here's a review:

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=4897

According to one teammate, it is definitely a racing bike. Very stiff, almost to the point of being harsh. I believe his words were along the lines of "perfect for racing; would probably do a club century on something more comfortable". In this case, his "more comfortable" machine is a Calfee.

It is not merely a generic carbon bike. Velo Vie worked with the engineers of the Asian fab to produce a custom product to sell. In this case, they were after a very, very stiff, road racing frame, according to the article. I am pretty certain that you cannot get this frame with any other name on it, unlike, say, the Pedal Force frame or the Motobecane frame which are generic and can be found sold under different names.

Personally, I ride a Trek Madone. Love it. I race it, and it is good for long rides as well.
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I consider myself open minded about frames, their origin, price, etc. I checked out Velo Vie and was disturbed by the odd top tube lengths. I scratched them off my list after that.

I just double checked to see what perturbed me. It's the fact that their 3rd largest frame has the second longest top tube. Their 2nd largest frame apparently is 0.1 mm longer. (This data is off their site, Road Cycles Vecteur 100, geometry link on the pop up page). I got there from here:
http://www.velovie.com/catdesc.php?c...kahvg963lf85o0

38 cm frame, 52.5 cm TT
42, 54.1
50, 54.0
54, 55.0

It might be due to production costs or something but it doesn't seem right.

However, if the frame fits, then I'd leave it on my list.

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^^^
Their Vitesse 300 geometry seems ordinary enough.

Click on the "Geometry" tab to get the frame geometry

size/eff top tube:
50, 52.5
53, 54.8
56, 56.2
58, 57.5
60, 58.5
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I see what's going on. The Vecteur 100 is oriented toward the "comfort roadbike" segment of the road biking world - the weird top tube lengths are because the headtube is high so the bars can be mounted relatively high. The Vitesse series is oriented toward racing so has a more race like geometry.
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Getting an honest opinion on BF is like finding an honest scambay seller. Let me know when you find both.
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Getting an honest opinion on BF is like finding an honest scambay seller. Let me know when you find both.
Well these replies (good and bad) are more useful than going to my LBS. I completely understand that they aren't going to praise a frame company that they don't sell but unfortunately none of my friends ride so I have no one to discuss this stuff with.
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For whatever it's worth, I purchased a Velo Vie 300 SE in late May, and because the frame was back-ordered, it is just now being built to my specs. The fact that Velo Vie did not mention the backorder immediately was a little bit annoying, I admit. It should ship next week though, and I'll be dragging this ultra light bike out to all the hilly Cat3 road races in my district very soon. I did a lot of research on this frame and on this company, and I'm hoping to come out of it with a stiff, light frame that climbs and descends well.

This small company is growing rapidly, and I can definitely picture them someday being "the next Cervello" or something similar years down the road. They have their frames custom built to their specs. They are not knockoffs. And talking with the owners, they seem to really be taking a serious, diligent approach into making this something special.

Even though my team is sponsored by Cannondale, and we get some pretty great deals, I still thought that the Velo Vie might be a better option for me. Being able to customize every part was a big selling point. I can run a Force rear derailleur and a Red front derailleur for example. Red cassette, but Force cranks. Every part on this bike is built to my specifications unlike with Cannondale where you get what you get. I also took a chance and am going with the new Bontrager x-lite wheels with white spokes. I know how bad the old version of these failed the last many years, and even my mechanic recommended steering clear of them, but the new version is a complete redesign, and I have high hopes that they've gotten it right this time around.

I know that Amore and Vita/McDonalds has been having plenty of success lately on these frames. They started out on the 300, but now all their riders ride the 300 SE. This frams won a mountain top finish in a big race in Canada under the direction of Miguel Martinez, and a couple high congestion sprints in North America under the direction of Ukranian uber sprinter, Yuriy METLUSHENKO. Why they decided to run baby blue tires on this bike, however, still remains a mystery. Ugly.

In any case, my Red/Force 300 SE will be here soon, and I'll give a full report. Hoping I don't have to eat all my words and it turns out that the bike just plain sucks.
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^^^6 month bump. Sorry. Looking for a report...thx.
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Whoah. That is just exactly like a Raleigh Team frame except for the top tube where it intersects the seat tube. I'll take pics of mine but here it is at the Raleigh Website

http://www.raleighusa.com/wp-content...9_Team_LRG.jpg

BB area same as the Velo Vie... made at the same shop


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