coppercook62

I want to get the 705 with heart rate for two reasons 1) i have the speed and cadance sensor already and 2) I want to load my maps on a sd card myself so I can view on my pc as well. So my question is which map cd do I buy the Map Source topo 2008 United States or MapSource City Navigator North America NT? Thanks for your replies.

umd

If you want topo maps... get the topo. If you want to navigate city see streets, get the city navigator... Also, you can get the full bundle which includes the city navigator maps.

Blade-Runner

I was a Best Buy last night and they had the 705 on the shelve........ sooo tempting, but my 305 is working sooo well for me.

When I can afford the new powertap that is edge 705 compatible is when I'll pick up the 705.

Looneytuna

+1

luv2climb

Your choice of maps is based on where you will be riding most. If you are a roadie then the NT maps are the best choice. If you are more into mtn bike or offroad the topo is better.

Now if you are looking at getting the NT there is another choice. If you want to be able to plan your rides on your computer then load them onto the Edge you need to buy the NT maps on CD/DVD. If you ONLY want the maps on the Edge then the SD card version will work for you.

coppercook62

thanks that was info I was looking for.

NattyTerp

I'm having trouble pulling up pdf files at work right now, so I can't look this up in the manual....

Are you able to set it so that the auto-pause kicks in once you drop below a certain speed? And can you set it so that the average cadence does not include 0?

Thanks

WheresWaldo

1. Yes
2. The cadence average does not include 0 cadence.

6thElement

I ordered a 705 with the Performance 20% coupon earlier this week, won't be delivered until next week though as they're out of stock. Even at normal prices you can buy the 705 with HR and Cadence bundle, then pickup the Navigator DVD and an SD card for slightly less than buying the complete Garmin + Nav bundle.

NattyTerp

I lucked out....I ordered a 705 with the coupon as well and just picked it up from the store during lunch. 1st ride with it will be tonight.

And I plan on getting the CD/DVD and card later...

luv2climb

To do the auto pause for a given speed you go press "mode", Training, Auto Pause/Lap. In the to box select Custom Speed. In the new box that appears below this one you set the speed you want.

As mentioned the cadence does not include 0's. Garmin changed this a while back.

skankpile

I dont understand the need for gps. Are you biking uncharted territory, do you regularly get lost on your road bike?

What does it offer you over cadence, distence, & HR. I use a suunto t6c and it gives me altitude, cadence, distence, heart rate, vo2max, Training effect, EPOCH, blah blah blah, and I can run it all through the software to see how I'm improving etc... I dont think you can do that with a gps...

The gps is cool, and I think it would be great for mapping routes and publishing them if you are in it for that (I'm grateful for those that do), but for just a HRM... I cant justify it. I think for the price, it should do what the top end polar's do, or something similar to the T6

jo8243

You fail.

umd

The Polar units pull the numbers from VO2, etc. out of their asses. The Edge measures all the same information the Polar units do, and can overlay where you were for different parts of the workout. You can see that when you were on xyz road, you were at a certain HR and speed. You can also set it to autolap when you pass the same location, which is useful when you are doing a circuit, such as an a crit.

Also, the 605 & 705 can do navigation, which is useful when you are riding somewhere new.

skankpile

umm.. ok:
here is how via HRM, in particular the suunto/firstbeat software and t6c pull it out their "ass" via r-r analysis https://www.firstbeat.fi/files/VO2_Estimation.pdf
(hint hint.. I don't use polar)

Suunto licensed Firstbeat for the algorithms in its software and devices, and its also being used by professional formula race car drivers at the moment.

I guess the information of what your heartbeat was going uphill would be cool mapped out, but I can usually just hit the lap button for later analysis, with the suunto gps pod this of course gets more detailed if you need your precious map information, but I just look at my display... to each his own I guess.

Do I still fail?

Tapeworm21

I got the 705 because my wallet is thick and needed cadence. So there!

CranialCrusader

Did your average MPH increase with your newly lightened wallet?


I ride with a forerunner 301 and wish that I had cadence, the power meter, and street level mapping. The problem is I can't justify spending more on these equipment upgrades than I did on my bike alone.

I'll see what the next revision brings and then decide if I want it or not...


CranialCrusader

oopfoo

I have a 705 and a 305. In all honesty, I never thought I'd purchase the 705, as I had absolutely no need for the navigation functionality. I just wanted a good, all-in-one cyclocomputer that didn't require a bunch of wires.

Then, I rode with a 705. Wow. I loved the new screens and the battery life. So, I purchased one on a whim.

Now, I find that I am using the navigation functionality frequently enough to plot new routes while traveling or to get waypoint times during a long ride.

I suppose it's like the proverbial goldfish moving to a larger tank--your needs expand to fit your capabilities.

pedalada

Yes.

Lost the sensor unit for my 305 in a mishap in a recent race. Lost cadence data but the Garmin defaults to GPS for speed and distance (HR never goes away).

aikigreg

For those of us who do long distance stuff, the gps navigation and peace of mind is phenomenal. And for those of us who do real training, the ant+sport will be handy also. So yeah, you fail.

skankpile

The suunto is ant as well, the firstbeat algorithim is way ahead of polar and garmain, but if you have to use them firstbeat lets you import some data from polar and garmin (upper level models with accurate R-R ECG) into its db as well.

suunto/firstbeat/t6c will let you monitor swimming in the water (smart belt), bike via cadence/distance/gps/hrm, and then running with gps/footpod/hrm... so you are really covered and all is via ant. Now.. try lugging the garmin with you and getting all this. You will soon fid yourself weighed down, or out of battery.

also, many of the roads I ride are covered with trees and gps will cutout... so I lean to the suunto solution. As for durability the suunto road bike pod was designed by mavic and is part of my wheel, and not some tie-wrapped add on... pretty rock solid.

If I go from swimming to bike/running I switch from the smartbelt to comfort (dont have to) belt and it picks up all the other pods as well automatically. I can then set my lap(button) for markers for later analysis and extrapolate whatever data I want.

come to think of it... some may even want to use the garmin while swimming.. I'g hate for them to get lost next to the pace/rescue boat without their gps...

by the way the data from the suunto is easily imported into full HRV analysis software like:
https://bsamig.uku.fi/winhrv.shtml
where you can get make poincare plots, see your frequency domains, stats (pNN50, std, RMSSD etc), and all the frequencies (VLF, LF, HF, LJ/HF power%'s) which are used on cardiac patents in hospitals... and where you can get just about every detail you could ever want. It is also easily imported in the the wave statistics software on physionet: https://www.physionet.org/tutorials/hrv/
or

perhaps WKO+ is your bag now that WKO+ supports the t6C.. although therea are no power stats as suunto does not have a pod for that, but its hard to beat cycling with powertap and WKO+.. so I cant really compare there, but you can see all the other stats in WKO+ which dont need the powertap. I dont know if WKO+ supports the new polar power offering (one that monitors chain tension with guitar pickup)... have not looked into it yet...

I'm not slamming garmin/polar.. I just like the suunto offering and find it a more rounded, better packaged, better supported offering with far superior post workout metrics available via suunto training manager and Firstbeat athelete among others.

orcanova

I just picked up the 705 on Craigslist. Got it brand new with hr/cadence/City Navigator NT pre-loaded micro SD card for $475.00. Pretty good price I think.

SO now I am trying to make some software decisions. I have lots of Polar HRM workouts from over the years (both from the Vantage XL and the S725) that I would like to import. I want:

-a PC based software that is robust with lots of customized reports and graphs and whatnot,

-an online account for uploading some of my workouts,

-some mapping software to create some routes and courses.

With that in mind, is WKO+ worth the money or would SportTracks be sufficient for the pc based software?

Which is the better online host?

What are my mapping software options (preferable freeware)? The pre-loaded MicroSD card doesn't have the MapSource software, but I did find this interesting link...

https://freegeographytools.com/2007/g...ource-for-free


Thanks for the advice in advance.

umd

No, I don't believe WKO+ would be worth the money without a power meter. The power analysis is not just really available in SportTracks. There is a plugin to calculate TSS, etc. but just the comprehensive package is so much better for power. However, without power, I don't see the point.

cslone

You can DL a 2 week trial of WKO+ to see if it might be something you'll use. I'm with umd though. With a powermeter, it's fantastic but for general data keeping I think Sport Tracks or Training Peaks will be fine.

orcanova

Cool. Thanks for that. I just have to find out if SportTracks can import my Polar HRM data from over the years which would be nice, but not necessary.