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    either your anatomy allows you to push our your hips like a transformer so your arms can go down to the drops, or you knee yourself in the face with every stroke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
    And it's too small
    Based off of what? It will be hard to find a larger frame that allows him that bar drop without a custom or track stem. It's not like he has a stack of spacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sci guy View Post
    either your anatomy allows you to push our your hips like a transformer so your arms can go down to the drops, or you knee yourself in the face with every stroke
    if anyone is wondering if i actually ride my bike: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post16366723

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    At the end of the day harun is winning races so I'll assume he has an idea of what he is doing. It woukd be different if he was some newbie who just started riding. Not a set up I can do or would want but its not my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Germany_chris View Post
    And it's too small
    Quote Originally Posted by the sci guy View Post
    either your anatomy allows you to push our your hips like a transformer so your arms can go down to the drops, or you knee yourself in the face with every stroke
    Its funny when the 41 throws out terms like "slam it", & when someone actually does it they say otherwise.
    I guess he needs a garage door to avoid these comments.
    If it works for him who's to say its wrong.

    Edit:
    This thread is all about staging, when did it turn into the "Bike fit" thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harun View Post
    if anyone is wondering if i actually ride my bike: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...1#post16366723
    thank god i didnt see myself in any of these photos. what Cat were you when you took these?

    also the fast/furious pick is sick. you smoked that field. I'm surprised the NCNCA guys didn't DQ you for putting your hands up early

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjk23 View Post
    meh...not so much

    oh yeah, stem seems long but who knows...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gc3 View Post
    meh...not so much

    oh yeah, stem seems long but who knows...
    Seems long? How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
    Seems long? How so?
    Just curious about the length
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harun View Post
    do cheesy instagram photos qualify ITT? if not I can take some with my actual camera.


    Is that pic taken on Canada? I would guess that or Calero

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjk23 View Post

    Not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harun View Post
    do cheesy instagram photos qualify ITT? if not I can take some with my actual camera.

    As impossibly painful as this looks, it makes sense. As guys seek increased drop, short of a custom frame, they don't have many options but to go to smaller frames which have proportionally shorter TTs. So, the out of proportion long, negative angle stem makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gc3 View Post
    ... stem seems long but who knows...
    Quote Originally Posted by thirdgenbird View Post
    Seems long? How so?
    The BMC doesn't make as much sense. It's a GF/endurance geometry frame with increased HT and decreased TT. To pair that with a long, negative angle stem just doesn't seem right. You could achieve the same position with a more customary race geometry (slightly lower HT, longer TT) and more moderate stem.

    Anyhow, that's just my take on it. I like both bikes. Harun's would land in my category of "sorted" and "purposeful", but, not hot. Well, not without a front lit shot at least. The BMC I like and previous to building my rediculous proportional crank frame I considered their GF frames as a possible next bike. But, it's hard for a GF/endurance frame to garner a "Hot" designation.
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    Too small...???






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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Ryder View Post
    We've been over Jens' fit over and over again on these forums. Most amateurs and even a reasonable percentage of the pro's can't accommodate such positioning. Harun stated in the Black Bike thread that he's invested in excess of an hour a day stretching and foam rolling for a year in order to accommodate such a position. 7 hrs/wk dedicated to stretching isn't realistic for most of us. But, if we could, it would certainly aid our bikes in looking hot.
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    My point is...
    "What works for 1, may not work for another."
    Doesn't have anything to do with looking hot.

    This thread is all about staging/looks, & nothing to do with proper fit.
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    How many bikes here have received "HOT" votes and how many "NOT" votes. Could one of you brainiacs research that and report back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigfred View Post
    The BMC doesn't make as much sense. It's a GF/endurance geometry frame with increased HT and decreased TT. To pair that with a long, negative angle stem just doesn't seem right. You could achieve the same position with a more customary race geometry (slightly lower HT, longer TT) and more moderate stem.

    Anyhow, that's just my take on it. I like both bikes. Harun's would land in my category of "sorted" and "purposeful", but, not hot. Well, not without a front lit shot at least. The BMC I like and previous to building my rediculous proportional crank frame I considered their GF frames as a possible next bike. But, it's hard for a GF/endurance frame to garner a "Hot" designation.
    It probably makes just as much sense:
    -Regardless of the stem, the bike has very little bar drop.
    -while a race fram could be set up with the same contact points, it may not handle or ride the same
    -just because it's an endurance bike, it doesn't call for an upright position
    -fit advice (including mine) on a riderless picture is useless

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    Thanks for the responses. I knew a endurance geometry frame would not bode very well here. I bought the frame because I like the look of it. The stem is a 130/-10. My last bike with the stem slammed had about 2cm more drop, I breathe a lot better on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjk23 View Post
    Thanks for the responses. I knew a endurance geometry frame would not bode very well here. I bought the frame because I like the look of it. The stem is a 130/-10. My last bike with the stem slammed had about 2cm more drop, I breathe a lot better on this one.
    I like the BMC, but wouldn't call it "hot" - nice, but no "wow factor."

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    I like the BMC in its own weird way as well albeit not hot. I didn't realize that they had bent the seat stays so much by the seat tube. It's very cool looking IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjk23 View Post
    Ok, this is sort of a noob question. (And probably another divergent from Hot r Not, sorry) It looks like his saddle is pushed mostly forward as well as having a … 130mm stem? Wouldn't it work to have a shorter stem (would look more in proportion to the bike) and push the seat back? Or would this change his leg position relative to the cranks and reduce power or something? I'm just asking for something of an explanation from one of you that knows this stuff.

    As to the bike, it's not what I would call hot, per se, but a very nice bike indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcollier5 View Post
    Ok, this is sort of a noob question. (And probably another divergent from Hot r Not, sorry) It looks like his saddle is pushed mostly forward as well as having a … 130mm stem? Wouldn't it work to have a shorter stem (would look more in proportion to the bike) and push the seat back? Or would this change his leg position relative to the cranks and reduce power or something? I'm just asking for something of an explanation from one of you that knows this stuff.

    As to the bike, it's not what I would call hot, per se, but a very nice bike indeed.
    Saddle setback shouldn't be used to change reach. Saddle setback should be set relative to the riders legs and then a stem selected from there.

    i wouldn't call the saddle mostly forward either. It is a little forward on a setback post. It looks well within standard adjustment ranges. Seat rails are exactly that (rails) so you don't have to pick the seatpost with the perfect amount of setback. That would be a huge pain.

    why on earth is everyone anti 130mm stem? Again, I would call this normal equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjk23 View Post
    I'm going to give it a hot. It's a nice looking bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie53 View Post
    My dial has little pictures on it. I find that flower or green box work ok for bike pics... actually this is a really good thing to know!

    Thanks.
    The flower is probably marcro mode which is good for taking pictures of subjects very close to the camera. Actually if you have a portrait mode (usually a picture of a face or person's head and shoulders) that would probably do the same thing as aperture priority mode. Ok - I'm turning off my inner photo geek, lol.
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