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Old 04-01-14, 07:52 AM   #18676
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So other than the saddle, you all are suggesting something more like this....

not mine but just did a quick search to see if I could find this bike with different parts.
Well clearly you wouldn't want to take the picture in front of a brown garage door.
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Old 04-01-14, 07:57 AM   #18677
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Listen to Bianchi10...if your bike rides fine and you enjoy it, don't feel the need to change things just to please some random people's opinions on the internet. You've been given a ton of advice to make your bike look better in a thread on a random bike message board, but in all reality, none of that matters. Just enjoy your bike. Of course, if you like to waste money on a hobby and are going for internet cred, then by all means, hang out here and you and your hard earned cash will soon part.



I don't (it's too hot in the summer to carry that crap on my back), but I do take it off for photo purposes.

If you haven't read "The Rules" yet, that's a good place to start to gain some bike snobiness...
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All true, but it's interesting to field opinions. I've been on the fence about the contrasting cages since I bought the bike last year anyway, plus now that shimano has updated brake shifters with internal cable routing, it's a change I wanted to make eventually. Beyond that, I'll keep it as it is.

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Old 04-01-14, 08:31 AM   #18678
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Hot. Remove that gargantuan headtube extender/spacer and slam the stem. Then, it would be molten.

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I believe Argons have a sort of "active suspension" built into the fork or head tube.
(Makes the stack look long.)
Not sure if this is that model, but I did read up on this feature on the Argon webpage a year or so ago.

It's the Argon 18 3D Headtube. Basically it's a threaded insert that allows you to extend your headtube without having to use spacers, significantly increasing front end stiffness.





I'd love to remove the insert, but my fit is what it is. If it weren't for shallow drop bars, I'd be forced to flip the stem for positive rise.
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Old 04-01-14, 09:13 AM   #18679
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Generally, I take a pic of my bike brand new, or just built up, without bags, or Garmin installed, etc. It's only new once, and I like to catch the new before I ride the new off of it. Anyone that commented on your bike has already run the gauntlet here, and their bike has been run through the wringer. It's only my opinion, which you invited up by posting.
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Old 04-01-14, 10:20 AM   #18680
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So other than the saddle, you all are suggesting something more like this....

not mine but just did a quick search to see if I could find this bike with different parts.
Better... but don't forget staging:

White door, cranks horizontal, valve stems at 6. Just kidding... but seriously...
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...a new set of brake shifters that use the zipp bars internal routing may be a decent investment to clean it up...
I don't think new STI's (just for the look) would be a 'decent investment'. Wear out those 5600 105 parts with saddle time instead. Cages and tape are your 'look' items; just ditch the red (like the other pic you posted).
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I don't think new STI's (just for the look) would be a 'decent investment'. Wear out those 5600 105 parts with saddle time instead. Cages and tape are your 'look' items; just ditch the red (like the other pic you posted).
I actually have an LBS here who will give me a price of $180 on a set of shifters that are fresh off a new bike that someone put ultegra on, so that seems too good to pass up.
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spring refresh... new tape, brake cables, and old man saddle. Also added a crazy 11/28 cassette for an upcoming trip.
Nice job, looks great.
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Ask them if that's 180 otd w/install if your going that route. But I second not upgrading until you need to.

I upgraded on my old bike, after about 200 miles you realize you just wasted about 200 or so dollars because the new shifters do nothing more than what the old shifters did.
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I actually have an LBS here who will give me a price of $180 on a set of shifters that are fresh off a new bike that someone put ultegra on, so that seems too good to pass up.
Shimano STI Levers 105 Black 5700/5703 with cables, GEARSHIFT STI / ERGO

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That's just how much they cost (at least if you order them from the UK).

Price will probably come down on 5700 too when 5800 gets released.
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I actually have an LBS here who will give me a price of $180 on a set of shifters that are fresh off a new bike that someone put ultegra on, so that seems too good to pass up.
For 5700 105's? Yeah, that's a decent price installed. They're under $150 this week from Ribble. That's still hardly worth it to me for simply a cable-free look (but it's your money). Personally I'd put that $180 aside for a 5800 group next spring (your wheels are 11s compatible), and ride what you've got for now. Either way, you've been a good sport in this thread. Cheers!
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If i upgrade the whole set, I'd likely pop for the ultegra, but at that point, I think I'd just want a whole new bike and look at something with di2. This model is actually quite heavy due to the aluminum steerer. Without the accessories it's 18.25 lbs including pedals.

Figure, I'll run this bike into the ground for a few more years. The cable mess really does bug me so for a few bucks, cleaning it up is about as much as I'm going to do to it. That and replacing the red cage with a white one and going with black lizard skins. Got to learn to stick to the less is more mantra, it really is true. Looking at the other bikes on here it validates that.

All the advice has been extremely helpful from everyone , it basically confirmed some of the things I think i didn't really love about the bike but couldn't admit it. Plus who doesn't enjoy a good ribbing now and again.

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@Gus90 I would sell the bike and buy a new one. It seem to me cheaper to buy a new bike than to build up your current one. Cost of components and frame separate are ridiculous. I'd upgrade to Giant TCR Composite.
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It's install AND new tape.
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All the advice has been extremely helpful from everyone , it basically confirmed some of the things I think i didn't really love about the bike but couldn't admit it. Plus who doesn't enjoy a good ribbing now and again.
Just so it's clear, your bike working well for your body is a much bigger priority than any aesthetic considerations. Kind words from internet yahoos (myself included) isn't worth it if you have to lower you bars to the point that you can't ride your bike safely and comfortably for hours on end. By all means, work on getting to that point gradually (removing a spacer at a time, etc), but don't kill yourself if you never reach the flipped and slammed limit.
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It's install AND new tape.
That's a decent price if the 'cable mess' is bugging you that badly. You can probably sell you current STI's and recoup about half.

I know what you mean about the current frame. My carbon bike is low to mid quality (on the heavy side with alloy steerer). I'm really interested in 6800...but not sure the frame justifies it.
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That's a decent price if the 'cable mess' is bugging you that badly. You can probably sell you current STI's and recoup about half.

I know what you mean about the current frame. My carbon bike is low to mid quality (on the heavy side with alloy steerer). I'm really interested in 6800...but not sure the frame justifies it.
I just don't have the desire to spend thousands on a new bike right now, seems like a few hundred to spruce it up a bit is worth it for the next couple of years. I'd not waste money upgrading my group either, not for this bike at least.
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I just don't have the desire to spend thousands on a new bike right now, seems like a few hundred to spruce it up a bit is worth it for the next couple of years. I'd not waste money upgrading my group either, not for this bike at least.
im im with you Gus90! I have a 07 caad 9 I went with 5700 shifters and 6800 brakes and love it. I wish I could drop a few grand. But no need rt now.
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I just don't have the desire to spend thousands on a new bike right now, seems like a few hundred to spruce it up a bit is worth it for the next couple of years. I'd not waste money upgrading my group either, not for this bike at least.
o by the way. If you go with the new shifters you should really replace brakes as the cable pull is different with the new levers.
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o by the way. If you go with the new shifters you should really replace brakes as the cable pull is different with the new levers.
Interesting, i didn't realize that, this may make the cost not worth it. I'll check it out, thx.
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Interesting, i didn't realize that, this may make the cost not worth it. I'll check it out, thx.
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Interesting, i didn't realize that, this may make the cost not worth it. I'll check it out, thx.

So, how much has it cost you to participate in this thread?

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o by the way. If you go with the new shifters you should really replace brakes as the cable pull is different with the new levers.

I switched out 5600 levers for 5700 - even knowing that there was a difference in pull, I couldn't tell.
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I switched out 5600 levers for 5700 - even knowing that there was a difference in pull, I couldn't tell.
Yeah, I'm not sure ill need to change the brakes, referring to brake pull, is it supposedly a shorter pull on the lever than the 5600? I'm not sure i really understand what exactly is meant by pull. I'm home now so I can google it, lol

I googled it, i think it boils down to the strength of the spring in the brake calipers to pull the cable back. In my case, since my cables will be routing into and through the zipp vuka sprint bar rather than between the bar and the tape, I don't think it will be an issue for me as there shouldnt be any increased tension or friction from being squeezed under tape. At least thats my theory.

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So, how much has it cost you to participate in this thread?

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well, if I don't need to swap the brakes to work with the 5700 shifters than about $210 for shifters black tape and a white cage. Or, a a month or two supply of beer. :/
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