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Old 05-06-14, 02:24 PM   #19501
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^^ yup. Been doing this for 30 years, wouldn't dream of not having a tool bag under the seat. Ugly as it is. It's my truth.
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Old 05-06-14, 02:34 PM   #19502
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Nice build. But I would swap the rings for some Ultegra, or even the whole chainset for Ultegra. And speaking of rings, it would look a tad bit hotter if you had staged the chain on the Big Ring. And, maybe shorten the RD cable a wee bit.
Yes, George Hancock please check THE RULES. Bicycles should always be photographed with the chain on the big dog. This bike looks unattractively cross chained. Also cranks look better in a diagonal position, not level like this. And yep, that RD cable is too long. The background isn't great either.

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Old 05-06-14, 02:48 PM   #19503
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^^ yup. Been doing this for 30 years, wouldn't dream of not having a tool bag under the seat. Ugly as it is. It's my truth.
I judge the saddle bag in this thread, since it's strictly about aesthetics, but I definitely see its utility. I usually use one on centuries and just stuff my pockets during normal rides.
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Old 05-06-14, 02:52 PM   #19504
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Nice build. But I would swap the rings for some Ultegra, or even the whole chainset for Ultegra. And speaking of rings, it would look a tad bit hotter if you had staged the chain on the Big Ring. And, maybe shorten the RD cable a wee bit.

Funny... it's an entirely stock bike with deep carbons on it and it gets hots....


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Old 05-06-14, 02:54 PM   #19505
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I judge the saddle bag in this thread, since it's strictly about aesthetics, but I definitely see its utility. I usually use one on centuries and just stuff my pockets during normal rides.
Me too. But if you're going to photograph your bike for posting esp. hot-r-not, take off the saddle bag, put the chain on the big dog, consider crank placement and background. It doesn't take long.
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Old 05-06-14, 03:26 PM   #19506
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Funny... it's an entirely stock bike with deep carbons on it and it gets hots....


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I wasn't going to say anything...but agreed. Very nice bike without a doubt, but most of the great bikes in this thread have character that comes from being custom built.
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Yes, George Hancock please check THE RULES. Bicycles should always be photographed with the chain on the big dog in my opinion. This bike looks unattractively cross chained in my opinion. Also cranks look better in a diagonal position, not level like this in my opinion. And yep, that RD cable is too long. The background isn't great either in my opinion.
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Me too. But if you're going to photograph your bike for posting esp. hot-r-not in my opinion, take off the saddle bag, put the chain on the big dog, consider crank placement and background. It doesn't take long in my opinion.
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Old 05-06-14, 05:56 PM   #19508
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OK Super Moderator, I take your point, though I doubt I'm alone in my opinion. Take a look at any photos of bikes advertised brochures etc and I'm sure most will have the chain on the big ring and cranks not at 180 degrees. C'mon what honestly looks better to you: a pic showing the money side with the chain on the big ring so the rear derailleur is extended more-or-less downwards, or the chain hiding on the small ring and, especially if cross chained, the derailleur all crunched up on itself behind the axle? I'd post two pics side by side, but I think you see my point. It takes very little time to set it up right.

The Velominati, who granted are ridiculously OCD about bikes, even codified it in a rule:
Rule #26 // Make your bike photogenic.

When photographing your bike, gussy her up properly for the camera. Some parameters are firm: valve stems at 6 o’clock. Cranks never at 90 or 180 degrees. Others are at your discretion, though the accepted practices are include putting the chain on the big dog, and no bidons in the cages.
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Me too - shorter rides maybe I'll carry a tube and mini tool in my Jersey, but long rides away from home gotta go seat bag, use the jersey pockets for food, cellphone etc.. Gotta get the GEAR!


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sorry, but I'm not gonna ride with all those tools in my back pockets. Even with that toolbag my pockets are full with cO2 pump, hanky, phone, food and whatever else. I am always prepared. I'm the guy that unprepared guys borrow stuff from.
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Old 05-06-14, 06:46 PM   #19510
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Who the frack cares if someone physically types "IN MY OPINION". When someone posts a hot or not and chooses to give the reasons why, that is their opinion. Nobody here is speaking on behalf of anyone else, including myself.

If @Niloc finds bikes to only be appealing if they meet a particular criteria than who are you or anyone else to say otherwise?

If @bigfred says he doesn't like bikes that have the color blue in them regardless of how well they are staged, than that's his opinion. If you disagree, then you disagree.

Some people appreciate seeing the details, some do not care. I say Moderate what needs to be moderated.

But then again, "That's just my opinion".
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Dogma has no place in this thread. I'm just making sure that's a known fact. All the silly rules are just that - silly! You might have a different opinion, but no big deal, everybody has an opinion . . . that's why they're only worth 2 cents.

And to quote the velomanati like it's a serious thing??? It's a joke! It's satire! It's internet humor!
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Old 05-06-14, 08:12 PM   #19514
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Who the frack cares...
You watched every episode of BSG, didn't you? It's a small thing, but it would have been so much better if they could have just said "****" like they wanted to.
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....And to quote the velomanati like it's a serious thing??? It's a joke! It's satire! It's internet humor!
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You watched every episode of BSG, didn't you? It's a small thing, but it would have been so much better if they could have just said "****" like they wanted to.
Lol what is BSG?
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OHHH!!!! No, Never watched that. I dislike anything sci-fi
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Dogma has no place in this thread...? It's a joke! It's satire! It's internet humor!
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Dogma has no place in this thread. I'm just making sure that's a known fact. All the silly rules are just that - silly! You might have a different opinion, but no big deal, everybody has an opinion . . . that's why they're only worth 2 cents.

And to quote the velomanati like it's a serious thing??? It's a joke! It's satire! It's internet humor!
Well I think my opinion would be the majority opinion if polled. Hmmm should we do that? I notice you didn't answer my question.

OK look you've got a nice bike, you've got the hubris to post it on a Hot r Not thread, so you're hoping for comments and they'll probably mostly be complimentary, but perhaps not all. Ok so I don't think showcasing your steed with the chain on the small ring and the derailleur all folded up looks so hot. You're taking the trouble to photograph your steed and post it online and you're wanting your baby to look it's best, so clean it up, sort it out, remove bags and bidons and yes put the chain in the manly big ring, let the derailleur be seen cage down in all it's glory, and line up the cranks smartly. Go back and look at the pic of that bike, it looks to me like the chain is on the second to smallest cog, which is pretty cross chained, and perhaps a gear it should never be in period. I assume you're with me on the never ever put the chain on the small ring / small cog or big ring / large cog combos. Are we straying from opinion to fact?

OK so it's my opinion. As bianchi10 (King Hoternot) points out - duh. Isn't that what's being solicited on a Hot r Not thread - opinions? I don't need to state "in my opinion" nor do I need you to add "in my opinions" all over my post.

And yes the Velominati are entertainment, although I'm not sure how tongue-in-cheek they really are at heart, I think they do take their rules semi-seriously (and there's at least a grain of truth in most of The Rules - even if exaggerated for comic effect).
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In my opinion, someone investing enough time to photograph and post their bike, should, at the very least, perform the little things that cost absolutely nothing to make their bike attractive. Rather than expecting us to look beyond these short comings in judging the hotness of their bike.

This doesn't represent dogma or velominati rules. It represents the adherence to good aesthetics. You see most the bike adds using similar approaches. Not because the velominati say so, but, because it helps make a bike look good.
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OHHH!!!! No, Never watched that. I dislike anything sci-fi
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