Elbows and shoulders strained
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Elbows and shoulders strained
Got my new bike couple weeks ago and I've ridden about 300km so far, the bike (Bianchi Via Nirone 7 with Campagnolo Xenon) has felt awesome otherwise except I'm having some problems with my elbows and shoulders. I "automatically" tend to ride (on the hoods) with my arms extended which I know you shouldnt do but it comes naturally, this "locking" of my elbows makes them hurt and my shoulders feel a bit strained aswell.
The bike is a 53cm one, I'm 5' 10" with fairly short legs (35 1/2" inseam I THINK but I might remember wrong) so the bike SHOULD be about correct size (maybe 1cm too big but I dont think it should make that much difference). The hoods DO feel a tad "far away" but I dont think I can get a shorter stem since the current one is already kinda short (havent measured but I'd guess 90mm). What should I do or should I do nothing (maybe I'll get used to it and remember to keep my elbows in a bit of an angle)?
The bike is a 53cm one, I'm 5' 10" with fairly short legs (35 1/2" inseam I THINK but I might remember wrong) so the bike SHOULD be about correct size (maybe 1cm too big but I dont think it should make that much difference). The hoods DO feel a tad "far away" but I dont think I can get a shorter stem since the current one is already kinda short (havent measured but I'd guess 90mm). What should I do or should I do nothing (maybe I'll get used to it and remember to keep my elbows in a bit of an angle)?
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A 53cm with a 90mm stem at 5'10? That bike sounds too small, not too big. Also are you using your "cycling" inseam or "pants" inseam? A 35inch cycling inseam at 5'10 means you have long legs, not short. I am 5'10, 35inch cycling inseam, short torso, normal arm length and ride a 56 with a 110mm stem.
Maybe your shoulders hurt because you are too cramped? I know you said the hoods seem "far away", but that is hard for me to imagine with that short of a cockpit. Is the saddle pushed all the way back? Pics with you on the bike would help. Oh and seek a professional fitter.
Maybe your shoulders hurt because you are too cramped? I know you said the hoods seem "far away", but that is hard for me to imagine with that short of a cockpit. Is the saddle pushed all the way back? Pics with you on the bike would help. Oh and seek a professional fitter.
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A 53cm with a 90mm stem at 5'10? That bike sounds too small, not too big. Also are you using your "cycling" inseam or "pants" inseam? A 35inch cycling inseam at 5'10 means you have long legs, not short. I am 5'10, 35inch cycling inseam, short torso, normal arm length and ride a 56 with a 110mm stem.
Maybe your shoulders hurt because you are too cramped? I know you said the hoods seem "far away", but that is hard for me to imagine with that short of a cockpit. Is the saddle pushed all the way back? Pics with you on the bike would help. Oh and seek a professional fitter.
Maybe your shoulders hurt because you are too cramped? I know you said the hoods seem "far away", but that is hard for me to imagine with that short of a cockpit. Is the saddle pushed all the way back? Pics with you on the bike would help. Oh and seek a professional fitter.
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A 53cm with a 90mm stem at 5'10? That bike sounds too small, not too big. Also are you using your "cycling" inseam or "pants" inseam? A 35inch cycling inseam at 5'10 means you have long legs, not short. I am 5'10, 35inch cycling inseam, short torso, normal arm length and ride a 56 with a 110mm stem.
Maybe your shoulders hurt because you are too cramped? I know you said the hoods seem "far away", but that is hard for me to imagine with that short of a cockpit. Is the saddle pushed all the way back? Pics with you on the bike would help. Oh and seek a professional fitter.
Maybe your shoulders hurt because you are too cramped? I know you said the hoods seem "far away", but that is hard for me to imagine with that short of a cockpit. Is the saddle pushed all the way back? Pics with you on the bike would help. Oh and seek a professional fitter.
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Your bars are too low
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I agree with the comments that the bike is too small, if anything. I'm 5'9" and I don't know/remember my cycling inseam (but I wear 30" long pants) and I am riding a 54 Specialized. I was pretty much between the 54 and 56 but chose the 54 for it's lower head tube, to get the bars lower. If you are on a bike that is too small, the head tube will likely be too low, and unless you have your bars jacked up with a riser stem and/or spacers in there, it is going to make you reach out & down further, and crane your neck up to see.
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Riding with locked elbows for long distances = arm and shoulder and back pain. Learn to ride with bent elbows and most of these problems should go away. If your bike is way to small, you may need a new bike. Otherwise, some improvements in core strength and or riding position should make the bent elbow riding position comfortable.
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Finally got around and took a couple of pictures:
The fit has felt pretty good actually, after I have concentrated on keeping the elbows bent.
The fit has felt pretty good actually, after I have concentrated on keeping the elbows bent.
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might be better if you got a positive rise 100mm stem and leveled out your bars a bit more. those bars are jacked pretty high.
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To me that bike looks too small, i.e. seat/seatpost too high, handlebar height/stem too low/straight.
Maybe it's worth that you try another stem first, one with a steeper angle, so that the handlebars will be placed higher and more toward your body.
Maybe it's worth that you try another stem first, one with a steeper angle, so that the handlebars will be placed higher and more toward your body.
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Your bars are pretty low, and you have them rotated funny to compensate. Raise the bars. For sure.
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Sure thing, I'll try putting on some spacers. I actually took one spacer off because I always see that people have huge amounts of saddle-to-bar drop.
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Seatpost too high? I've always thought its too low if anything because theres very little saddle-to-bar drop (maybe like two to three inches atm). Maybe its the picture, I should have taken one with the bike only. You can almost see the seatpost end/saddle mount on the lower picture, its like 5mm behind my thigh.
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Frame looks too small to me. While you could tweak it a bit by playing with stem length/angle, I think if you were to get into a lower aero position you're going to be balanced a bit too far forward and in potentially too cramped of a pedaling position. I'd think you'd be better off on something around a 55 given your height and proportions.
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I agree that the bike looks too small. Your rear end is way out over the rear wheel. A 53cm frame does sound very small for someone 5'10". I know some people 4 inches shorter than you who ride a 53 (though that may depend on how the frame is measured).
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You are a pretty good candidate to have a fitting as a starting point until you learn more about what works best for yourself. Meanwhile flip the stem up and rotate the bars down.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
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+1 with everyone else who said too small......TOO SMALL. You need a 55-56cm w/ a fitting.