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    ~$2k Budget - Full Carbon Frameset and Build Kit Suggestions

    It's time to play Product Manager! Well, on a run of one bike...

    This is a challenge for the frugal ones who know what they are looking for. I think the title says it all, to part spec a full carbon road bike build less than or equal to an off-the-peg complete. Bonus points if you know where you would buy online and/or post pictures if you recently did this. LBS supporters should leave the room.

    Here's a link to the interesting (and hopefully still relevant) article from 2002 which prompted this thread:

    http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadin...s/bikebiz.html

    Maybe someone in the know can enlighten us on the accuracy or if anything has changed much since.

    EDIT: Just list your favorite frameset/gruppo/wheelset combination for ~$2k.
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    Frameset: Motobecane Immortal Spirit 2007 - $685 (shipped) http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2007-Road-Bi...QQcmdZViewItem

    Groupset: Shimano Ultegra 10 Speed $605 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=D6050

    Pedals: Look Carbon CroMo $135 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=A1468

    Saddle: Selle Italia Carbonio SLR $134 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=S2007

    Wheelset: Shimano RS20 Wheelset $220 http://www.rei.com/product/769228

    Handlebars: Ritchey WCS Carbon Logic $217 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=M1006

    Stem: ITM Forged Lite Carbon Ahead $54

    Tires and Chain and whatever I forgot - $75

    Total - $2125

    You could easily shave from the handlebars, stem, pedals, and seat to get the price a lot closer to $2000. I just wanted to squeeze as much carbon on as possible (within reason).

    Did I win?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Did I win?
    Excellent DETAILS in your post! We shall see...
    Last edited by cinegabe; 08-23-08 at 10:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Frameset: Motobecane Immortal Spirit 2007 - $685 (shipped) http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-2007-Road-Bi...QQcmdZViewItem

    Groupset: Shimano Ultegra 10 Speed $605 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=D6050

    Pedals: Look Carbon CroMo $135 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=A1468

    Saddle: Selle Italia Carbonio SLR $134http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=S2007

    Wheelset: Campy Scirroco G3 $300 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=W1002

    Handlebars: Ritchey WCS Carbon Logic $217 http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=M1006

    Stem: ITM Forged Lite Carbon Ahead $54

    Tires and Chain and whatever I forgot - $75

    Total - $2205

    You could easily shave from the handlebars, stem, pedals, and seat to get the price a lot closer to $2000. I just wanted to squeeze as much carbon on as possible (within reason).

    Did I win?
    One slight flaw in your plan... the wheelset you picked out only works with a campy drivetrain. That drives the price up quite a bit.

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    Fixed it. And saved some dough too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Frameset: Motobecane Immortal Spirit 2007

    Did I win?

    Not even close.


    OP: How patient are you? Group buys and the occasional internet sale can net you a bike for ~40%-50% less than retail price. Very tough to beat some of the $2k-$3k Pedal Force builds seen here. Patrick is said to have a killer group buy in the works, but that's still a ways out and > $2k. If you're willing to endure the wait and make some (minor) compromises on component choice, group buys are where it's at.

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    Hey, he didn't say it had to be a great frame. I think frames are overrated anyway, I'd much rather have nice components and wheelset and such than an expensive frame. They're all ridiculously light, as long as they don't fall apart, who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Booger View Post
    OP: How patient are you? Group buys and the occasional internet sale can net you a bike for ~40%-50% less than retail price. Very tough to beat some of the $2k-$3k Pedal Force builds seen here. Patrick is said to have a killer group buy in the works, but that's still a ways out and > $2k. If you're willing to endure the wait and make some (minor) compromises on component choice, group buys are where it's at.
    I'm all about the occasional internet sale, but have yet to participate in a group buy. I nearly got the Look 555 Origin Ultegra SL at Jenson when they had all sizes available.

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    A little OT, but does anyone know of a HIGH QUALITY custom decal manufacturer that specializes in single-run decals for bikes? I would definitely be one to design some decals for a bare group buy frame.

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    Just go to your local mall, you're bound to find a booth that can cut up whatever decals you can dream of for a reasonable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamkar33m View Post
    Just go to your local mall, you're bound to find a booth that can cut up whatever decals you can dream of for a reasonable price.
    Is that meant to be an insult?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinegabe View Post
    Is that meant to be an insult?
    If it was i'd have put at the end of it...

    It was meant as a serious suggestion. Back when I was into import cars I did that all the time for manufacturer decals... if all the decals are the same color you can get a crapload of them cutout for real cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinegabe View Post
    A little OT, but does anyone know of a HIGH QUALITY custom decal manufacturer that specializes in single-run decals for bikes? I would definitely be one to design some decals for a bare group buy frame.
    Lemme know if you find something. I spent 4-6 weeks last year looking for something similar. There are plenty of places who will produce crap-quality vinyl stickers from an ink jet printer. They'll be 2-3X thicker than manufacturer decals and fade after 2-3 years, unless the shoddy glue gives up before then. If you want high-quality, you're going to have to spend some $$$$. SSSink is probably the place to go, but they aren't too Internet savvy (read: I got frustrated that they only answered 50% of my e-mails and gave up on them). Custom frame-builders seem to love them, though.

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    Pedal Force RS2 group buy or other. Their zx3 isn't bad either but the RS2 is a really nice ride. I have to agree the Rival group set for a budget is wonderful. I don't have the 2009 but darn wish I did.
    I run Speed Play zeros but any standard pedal will work. It is based on your comfort. Honestly don't bother getting carbon fiber pedals, you are waisting your money. Lose two lbs instead and you will have more than made up for the weight savings. I am running Renyolds Solitude, but the attacks are nice as well. Sel Italia seat, but then again your saddle is personal prefrence.
    I am sure you can peice together something but honestly I ordered everything from them and didn't need to buy anything but my stand, and builders greese. Yes they are a mail order outfit but they respond to emails and are pretty cool if there are issues, and getting things sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsilver668 View Post
    Pedal Force RS2 group buy or other. Their zx3 isn't bad either but the RS2 is a really nice ride. I have to agree the Rival group set for a budget is wonderful. I don't have the 2009 but darn wish I did.
    I run Speed Play zeros but any standard pedal will work. It is based on your comfort. Honestly don't bother getting carbon fiber pedals, you are waisting your money. Lose two lbs instead and you will have more than made up for the weight savings. I am running Renyolds Solitude, but the attacks are nice as well. Sel Italia seat, but then again your saddle is personal prefrence.
    I am sure you can peice together something but honestly I ordered everything from them and didn't need to buy anything but my stand, and builders greese. Yes they are a mail order outfit but they respond to emails and are pretty cool if there are issues, and getting things sorted.
    Where is the pedal force rs2 gb going down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
    Lemme know if you find something. I spent 4-6 weeks last year looking for something similar. There are plenty of places who will produce crap-quality vinyl stickers from an ink jet printer. They'll be 2-3X thicker than manufacturer decals and fade after 2-3 years, unless the shoddy glue gives up before then. If you want high-quality, you're going to have to spend some $$$$. SSSink is probably the place to go, but they aren't too Internet savvy (read: I got frustrated that they only answered 50% of my e-mails and gave up on them). Custom frame-builders seem to love them, though.
    Yep, I would never put some vinyl cheese on a full carbon frameset. Contacting some framebuilders is a great idea. I see you've been in the Framebuilders forum already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinegabe View Post
    A little OT, but does anyone know of a HIGH QUALITY custom decal manufacturer that specializes in single-run decals for bikes? I would definitely be one to design some decals for a bare group buy frame.
    You might want to try these guys. I've used them and I believe Trek uses them also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeride View Post
    You might want to try these guys. I've used them and I believe Trek uses them also.
    Now that you mention it, their website does look familiar... Any details about your experience with their decals, from conception through production? They look quality. Thanks!

    Alright, back on track. Who else has a part spec?
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    The Dedacciai Nero Corsa frame looks good to me. I've seen a few rebadges/appropriations of it. For example, I really like what Kona has done with their road program. They currently use it for their Zing Deluxe model. I would pick it up, but feel like I could do better than 105 for my $2k. And I would love to have 2009 Rival on my next bike!
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    Watch this space.

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    I'd consider the PBK carbon with Dura-ace, looks good in white

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    Pedal Force QS2 (Add $100 for RS frame). Good example of a SRAM Rival build, the Fulcrum 5 wheelset could be replaced with FSA RD-220 for about $25 less.

    New bike [-Edit-]
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    Fork:
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    Headset:
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    Headset Compressor:
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    Seatpost:
    P2 300mm x 31.6mm $59.00
    Crankset:
    SRAM Rival Crankset w/ GXP Team Cup Set $107.53
    Bottom Bracket:
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    Chain:
    SRAM Rival PC-1070 PowerChain $34.20
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    Rear Derailleur:
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    Derailleur and Brake Cable Set (available only with full groupkit purchase)
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    Handlebar Tape:
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    Stem length : 120 mm $48.22
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    Front Tire:
    Michelin Pro 3 Race, 700CX23 Kevlar $24.11
    Rear Tire:
    Michelin Pro 3 Race, 700CX23 Kevlar $24.11
    Wheelset:
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    Freehub type : Shimano $256.49
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    Saddle:
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    Sub-Total: $1,927.25

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    Let's simplify this a little so more people will respond...

    Just list your favorite frameset/gruppo/wheelset (like Rosso Corsa) for ~$2k. I should have clarified that's what I'm really after. The contact points (seatpost/saddle, stem/handlebars and pedals) and accessories are taken care of, thanks to my parts bin.

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