What happens when you have triathletes in a group ride
08-26-08, 10:21 PM
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ITU is all about getting into the first pack on the bike, if you don't, you're screwed because you'll seldom bridge. To do this, you have to be an extremely good swimmer....you can't just cruise it.
Swim/runners win races. Pure runners never make the first bike pack. Pure cyclists can't put the time into the runners on the bike because of the format. Pure swimmers get owned on the run. Gotta be a good swim/runner....with a good enough bike to merely hang.
Swim/runners win races. Pure runners never make the first bike pack. Pure cyclists can't put the time into the runners on the bike because of the format. Pure swimmers get owned on the run. Gotta be a good swim/runner....with a good enough bike to merely hang.
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08-26-08, 10:32 PM
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08-26-08, 11:12 PM
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With respect to the men's Tri at Beijing, the Canadian's received some criticism in the press for their strategy after winning silver. Whitfield trained hard with his partner, Jenkins, in the leadup to the Olympics. They communicated well and worked together with Whitfield drafting all the way on the bike leg. Accordng to the story, Jenkins acted as a sort of domestique, staying with the attackers, allowing Whitfield to arrive at the run somewhat fully rested. As it turned out, the winner, a German, passed Whitfield in the last 30m. Jenkins finished last in a field of 50 yet considers Canada's silver partly his. They shared the $15,000 prize.
Whitfield and the Canadians defended their strategy arguing that team strategy is the future of Tri as well as pointing out that the goal is to medal.
Whitfield and the Canadians defended their strategy arguing that team strategy is the future of Tri as well as pointing out that the goal is to medal.
ITU is all about getting into the first pack on the bike, if you don't, you're screwed because you'll seldom bridge. To do this, you have to be an extremely good swimmer....you can't just cruise it.
Swim/runners win races. Pure runners never make the first bike pack. Pure cyclists can't put the time into the runners on the bike because of the format. Pure swimmers get owned on the run. Gotta be a good swim/runner....with a good enough bike to merely hang.
Swim/runners win races. Pure runners never make the first bike pack. Pure cyclists can't put the time into the runners on the bike because of the format. Pure swimmers get owned on the run. Gotta be a good swim/runner....with a good enough bike to merely hang.
So what are the rules and distance for ITU? By the way, I remember when former mtb Norba cross country champion Steve Larson won the Lake Placid Ironman triathlon---obviously a different type of triathlon. Also, former world cross country mtb champion Ned Overrend won the world XTERRA a couple of times. Do these type of triathlons, Ironman and Xterra, favor great cyclists more than the ITU events?
Ironman and the Xterra is whole different animal. Ironman is pretty much anti-ITU. ITU triathletes don't even use TT bikes, they use standard road bikes with mini-TT bars.
08-26-08, 11:16 PM
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08-27-08, 07:19 AM
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Ironman is 112 miles of no drafting allowed. Thats a lot of time to put into the better runners, ask Normann Stadler. Xtrerra it helps to be a good rider too....because your handling skills earn you as much time as your motor, and a lot of xterra triathletes aren't the best mtn bikers imo.
08-27-08, 08:47 AM
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I made my comments about cyclists and tri-bars. It's absurd and dangerous for anyone to ride in a pack with tri-bars. I think clubs should not allow them on group rides.
08-27-08, 09:54 AM
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Few other countries did that too. National federations don't send the best top 3 to the Olympic, they send 1 guy with a chance to win and 2 guys to help him out (those 3 guys can be on the Top 3 for the their federation). One of those 2 guys will probably suck at running but very good on the bike to draft.
* Nice guy, great rider.
Competitive ITU-style triathlon isn't cut out for people who ride well. It's a sport for people who are superb swimmers and runners. For coaches developing young teens to become ITU triathletes, they don't go after cyclist, they go after kids who are part of the swim team and the cross country running team. Cycling can develop afterward. Sprint tris are even more suitable for people who run and swim well, the bike part is 10k long.
08-28-08, 09:21 AM
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I do triathlons because the training is solo. I log many miles by myself, with my own demons, with no one to talk to to. I am not a good runner yet this uncomfort zone is therapeutic for me. I like to call the swim a warm up...where the calm survive. I train without headphones, only my words rattling around trying to keep it all together. I say I am not worried about placing, although I secretly am trying to get faster to take the podium. But I digress, because I don't deserve a podium yet. I haven't endured enough pain, haven't stuck to a plan long enough. I will do this sport until I tire of it. It starts to consume you, because so much time is involved, so you have to commit.
I have always considered top road racers better cyclists (meaning faster on the bike, not that they could beat me in a knife fight). Just as I consider marathoners much better runners. It's putting it all together that is a separate skill.
If it sounds or looks simple to you, I am not offended. And I enjoy the occasion group ride. I only say we are all brothers in sport. And learning from road racers is probably a good thing for the bike portion of the race.
Now off to the runners world site...they always call us slow.
But I like the bike best of course!
I have always considered top road racers better cyclists (meaning faster on the bike, not that they could beat me in a knife fight). Just as I consider marathoners much better runners. It's putting it all together that is a separate skill.
If it sounds or looks simple to you, I am not offended. And I enjoy the occasion group ride. I only say we are all brothers in sport. And learning from road racers is probably a good thing for the bike portion of the race.
Now off to the runners world site...they always call us slow.
But I like the bike best of course!
08-28-08, 10:01 AM
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I train and race (Road Races) with a couple triathletes that would beat all the riders on here, regardless of how great the people here think they are. Most recent race was 23.6mph average for 112.5 miles, no drafting on a course that was anything but flat.
The cat 2 's here that think they can do that don't have the results to back it up, just the talk.
https://www.ironman.ca/bike.html
They do suck at crits, but so do most road riders.
The cat 2 's here that think they can do that don't have the results to back it up, just the talk.
https://www.ironman.ca/bike.html
They do suck at crits, but so do most road riders.
08-28-08, 10:03 AM
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I train and race (Road Races) with a couple triathletes that would beat all the riders on here, regardless of how great the people here think they are. Most recent race was 23.6mph average for 112.5 miles, no drafting on a course that was anything but flat.
The cat 2 's here that think they can do that don't have the results to back it up, just the talk.
https://www.ironman.ca/bike.html
They do suck at crits, but so do most road riders.
The cat 2 's here that think they can do that don't have the results to back it up, just the talk.
https://www.ironman.ca/bike.html
They do suck at crits, but so do most road riders.
08-28-08, 10:03 AM
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He is, but I heard he wasn't very happy with the plan to have Simon as the main hope and the two others to provide support.
08-28-08, 10:25 AM
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He said Triathlon Canada gave him "free to fly" clearance. Seemed happy enough to me when questioned about his role.
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08-28-08, 10:30 AM
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I train and race (Road Races) with a couple triathletes that would beat all the riders on here, regardless of how great the people here think they are. Most recent race was 23.6mph average for 112.5 miles, no drafting on a course that was anything but flat.
The cat 2 's here that think they can do that don't have the results to back it up, just the talk.
https://www.ironman.ca/bike.html
They do suck at crits, but so do most road riders.
The cat 2 's here that think they can do that don't have the results to back it up, just the talk.
https://www.ironman.ca/bike.html
They do suck at crits, but so do most road riders.
08-28-08, 10:45 AM
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Not saying Jenkins didn't deserve to be there, and it obvoiusly worked out as planned, just that what was said publicly was not what was being said behind the scenes (politics are everywhere)
08-28-08, 10:48 AM
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I was talking about when he was selected, originally there was alot of tension. Before that there was some disagreement into why Jenkins was selected to the team when there were fast athletes available.
Not saying Jenkins didn't deserve to be there, and it obvoiusly worked out as planned, just that what was said publicly was not what was being said behind the scenes (politics are everywhere)
Not saying Jenkins didn't deserve to be there, and it obvoiusly worked out as planned, just that what was said publicly was not what was being said behind the scenes (politics are everywhere)
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I suck, I just donate to the prize pool in bike races and don't do triathlons, however there are guys on the team that finish top ten in ironmans and win half ironmans. Are they world class maybe not, would they be in the top .1% of BF, yes.
