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Old 08-31-08, 01:05 PM   #1
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I can't afford a BMW, so I bought this instead (pics)


No, I'm not going to flip it.










This is basically the stock DA package for the RS. Except for:

1. A 12-27 cassette instead of the 12-25. Actually, I've ordered a SRAM 11-28 cassette because I need that extra half gear on both ends.
2. Neuvation R28 SL3 wheels from my old bike, less the 16 ugly decals
3. Speedplay Zeros
4. A 80 mm stem. I'm 5'9.5" with a short torso so the LBS guy recommended it.
5. Michelin Pro 3 Race tires in red. I was thinking of going black, but my wife and son (who normally doesn't say anything) convinced me to go red. I think that they were right.

So, why did I buy this bike?

1. Bling factor - not too many Cervelos around here
2. I like the more upright position (which is why the stem is flipped up and is staying that way)
3. I've always liked the CSC riders (Basso, Cancellara, Schlecks, Voight). Too bad that they won't be riding Cervelos next year.
4. I bought into Cervelo's technospeak.
5. I didn't buy it because I think it's pretty. It's OK, but I like the look of the Orbeas and Pinarellos better.

Some observations after ~130 miles of flats and hills in the East Bay Area.
1. Much stiffer and more responsive than my Giant OCR C2. I didn't think that I'd noticed, but I did.
2. Much to my surprise, it descends quite a bit better. It really tracks the turns well. I don't have to keep making adjustments like I did with the Giant.
3. I can't tell much difference in the rear shifting between the DA and my old Ultegra 10.
4. I really like the compact double. Compared to my old triple, I don't have to think as much (should I be in the small or middle or large?)
5. I think the LBS did a good selection in putting me in a 54. I'm not as stretched out as I was with my medium Giant. In retrospect, I should have had a shorter stem on that bike, too.
6. It's faster just coasting downhill in a straight line (in one stretch where I top out at 26 mph, I now top out at around 29-30). I can't figure that out (same wheels, basically the same position).

Anyway, I'm happy!!!
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Old 08-31-08, 01:08 PM   #2
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That's pretty ****ing hilarious actually. It's like the Trek of bicycles around here. The pro race 3 red tires are a really nice red which matches your frame.
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Old 08-31-08, 01:09 PM   #3
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Congrats on your ride.

BMW's are WAYYYyyy over-rated anyway.
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should have bought a smaller bike w/ a longer stem.
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Old 08-31-08, 01:20 PM   #5
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should have bought a smaller bike w/ a longer stem.
You don't have clue how hard it is to get a bike to fit for someone with long leg and short torso. The 54cm RS has the longest head tube length of any 54.5cm TTT size without going over board with spacers and saddle-to-drop height. The only option after this is custom sized bike for the OP.
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Old 08-31-08, 01:21 PM   #6
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should have bought a smaller bike w/ a longer stem.
I asked the LBS guy about a 51 and he said I'd be too cramped and the drop would be too much.
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Ok man, an 80mm stem? I don't care how short your torso is, that's not right if you're 5'9. What size is the bike?
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Old 08-31-08, 01:48 PM   #8
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It's like the Trek of bicycles around here.
And I thought Trek was the Trek of bicycles
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Did the shop have the smaller frame in stock?
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Nice looking bike. I myself also have a long legs-short torso so I can understand going with a size 80 stem. I usually end up with lots of exposed seatpost (on a size 51) with an 80 or 90mm stem.

I have an R3 and also live in the SF Bay Area. People keep saying how common these bikes have become, but in our local club with a few hundred members, I only know one other person with a Cervelo.

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Maybe Cervelo Wasn't the bike for you is you need an 80mm stem.
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Old 08-31-08, 02:22 PM   #12
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i love how people can comment on his fit despite never riding with the guy or even seeing pics. keep it classy BF.
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i love how people can comment on his fit despite never riding with the guy or even seeing pics. keep it classy BF.
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Why are so many people down on 80mm stems? Is it just because it looks odd? If someone said that they required a 120mm stem, would they say that they should have gone with a larger frame? Isn't the reason for making stems in different lengths so that fitters have some way for adjusting for fixed frame sizes?

Remember, we all can't or want to go custom.
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That shop guy is wrong. It is better to have a smaller frame and to have to compensate w/ a longer stem. That way you can avoid the twitchiness in the handling that comes along w/ a short stem and that way you have more options when it comes to buying a stem. Sounds like this shop guy wanted either wanted to save you or himself money by getting you to buy the bike he had in the shop. You should get a smaller frame if you can.
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considering the bars are still lower than the seat and how much seat post you have showing, the 51 would have been really hard to fit, without a serious drop.

Looks like a great ride, I love the tires... I'd say the fam made the right call, and I would take it over a BMW myself.
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your bike looks great!!!...enjoy!!
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Very nice ride, RoboCheme - this'll now help me to pick you out from a distance on local east bay bike routes.
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considering the bars are still lower than the seat and how much seat post you have showing, the 51 would have been really hard to fit, without a serious drop.

Looks like a great ride, I love the tires... I'd say the fam made the right call, and I would take it over a BMW myself.
Hmmm... I see Mr Handy's point. I would have gone w/ a different frame geometry, if it were me. But if it handles well enough for you, go for it. It is a nice sexy looking ride, despite your thought that it is lacking in this regard.
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And I thought Trek was the Trek of bicycles
Nope, Cervelo is now Trek, Trek = Cannondale, Scott = Cervelo, Felt = Scott, Cannondale = Huffy. Hope this helps.

OP, very nice bike. Much better than a BMW, I've had a couple and will not own another.
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A smaller frame would move the BB back relative to the saddle, assuming proportionally the same geometry. For short legs relative to torso you want the BB further back. For long legs:torso ratio you want the BB forward relative to the saddle. The way to move the BB forward is to either get a different frame or get a larger frame and shorten the stem and bar reach.
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Congrats on your ride.

BMW's are WAYYYyyy over-rated anyway.
So you've never driven an 'M' huh? Try it sometime, it's life altering.

Nice bike though.
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That shop guy is wrong. It is better to have a smaller frame and to have to compensate w/ a longer stem. That way you can avoid the twitchiness in the handling that comes along w/ a short stem and that way you have more options when it comes to buying a stem. Sounds like this shop guy wanted either wanted to save you or himself money by getting you to buy the bike he had in the shop. You should get a smaller frame if you can.
He had to order my bike (or a 51 for that matter) so he wasn't making any more money. I did ask him about a 51 and he said that the drop would be too much and that I would be too cramped.

What is interesting is that the first Cervelo dealer I went to just measured my inseam (33.5") and said that I needed a 56 (I can't imagine how stretched out I'd be with a 100 mm stem on that frame). I wasn't too confident in those guys and so I called around and found the shop that had a 56 to test ride. I walked in and they said that a 56 would be too big for me.

I'm confident that I got the right frame size. Maybe the 80 mm stem doesn't look right, but that's not a big concern of mine.
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That shop guy is wrong. It is better to have a smaller frame and to have to compensate w/ a longer stem. That way you can avoid the twitchiness in the handling that comes along w/ a short stem and that way you have more options when it comes to buying a stem. Sounds like this shop guy wanted either wanted to save you or himself money by getting you to buy the bike he had in the shop. You should get a smaller frame if you can.
Twitchy? Now you are just spewing what you have read. Have you ridden a bike with 80mm stem?
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That shop guy is wrong. It is better to have a smaller frame and to have to compensate w/ a longer stem. That way you can avoid the twitchiness in the handling that comes along w/ a short stem and that way you have more options when it comes to buying a stem. Sounds like this shop guy wanted either wanted to save you or himself money by getting you to buy the bike he had in the shop. You should get a smaller frame if you can.
Have you considered how many spacers it would take for him to keep the same bar height on a smaller frame?
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