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Zeriman 09-03-08 05:29 PM

Kool Stop Salmon vs. Swissstop GHP
 
I have a 2006 Bianchi 928 equiped with Veloce components and about six months ago decided to upgrade the brake pads. I went with Swissstop GHP pads because . . . well actually I don't remember why. But in any case I loved the feel of them and there was a definate increase in performance over the stock Campy pads. But after 5 months they started to squeal quite badly, back and front. I tried to sand them down and also adjust their position, but nothing helped, so I decided to replace them.

For replacement I bought Kool Stop Salmon pads because everyone seems to rave about them, they were cheaper, and I wasn't too thrilled with the Swissstops because I figured that I should get more than 5 months out of a set of brake pads. But now after putting them on, I'm not so sure. Of course the squealing went away without any adjustment at all, but these Koolstops just don't have the same stopping power of the Swissstops. I do alot climbing/descending and am a big guy, so I put alot of trust in my brakes, and I miss the feeling of the Swissstops.

I talked to the mechanic at my LBS, and he says that he is not surprised, and thinks that Swissstops are a better pad than Koolstop, but when I asked about the amount of use I got out of the Swissstops he said that any pad can be ruined in even just one ride if you don't know what your doing. Ouch!

Ok. . . so what do you think? Anyone else have experience with these pads. Did I just screw them up? Stick with Kool Stop or go back to Swissstops?

umd 09-03-08 05:40 PM

Not sure about GHP. I use the Yellow King Race 2000 pads. They are so much better than the Kool Stop pads it's not even funny. Well, it is a little funny that the Kool Stops still get so much praise here and everyone thinks I'm some kind of alien when I recommend Swiss Stop. As far as life of the pads, I have 12,000 miles on two sets of pads. Both are somewhat worn but neither are imminently in need of replacement.

And I climb and descend a lot. 720,000 feet of ascent & descent so far this year.

JMT114 09-03-08 05:41 PM

I originally changed from the stock shimano pads on my LeMond to kool stops. But I did not like the feel of the Kool Stop pads, I thought they felt spongy. A couple months ago I switched to Swisstop pads (green). I like the Swisstop pads much better. To me the feel and stopping power are better than the kool stops and the shimano pads.

I have never experienced any squealing from the Swisstops, but I have only had them for a couple months, but, when they wear out or start to squeal I will replace them with another set of swisstops.

Dubbayoo 09-03-08 06:59 PM

I have Swiss Stop yellows and at first I didn't think they were as effective as SRAM defaults. However that was comparing Swiss Stops on 404's versus SRAM on alloy, which isn't fair. The SS yellows also squealed A LOT when I tried them on alloy. That went away. I haven't done any vigorous braking on the SS yellows because I bought them to use with Zipps, which I didn't intend to use on hilly terrain.

umd 09-03-08 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dubbayoo (Post 7396008)
I have Swiss Stop yellows and at first I didn't think they were as effective as SRAM defaults. However that was comparing Swiss Stops on 404's versus SRAM on alloy, which isn't fair. The SS yellows also squealed A LOT when I tried them on alloy. That went away. I haven't done any vigorous braking on the SS yellows because I bought them to use with Zipps, which I didn't intend to use on hilly terrain.

My yellow kings work great on carbon or aluminum (why I have two sets).

rmwkokomo 09-03-08 07:59 PM

I think pad wear rate is largely determined by riding style, terrain and weather. A cautious descender (or even an adventurous one on twisty roads) in mountainous terrain during wet weather could probably go thru a set pretty quickly. I typically ride in a fairly flat area and am not overly fond of riding in the rain so my pads last a long time.

I use the Swiss Stop original black pads with aluminum rims. Previously used the GHP's then tried the blacks as a cost cutting measure and never went back - the blacks seem to work just as well. I am told the GHP is better in the rain but can't confirm any advantage based on limited personal experience (did I mention I don't like riding in the rain).

Rob P 09-04-08 11:07 AM

I have yet to find another pad that offers the same performance as the swiss stop pad. I believe they're the best pad going.

If you're a larger rider and do a lot of hills, pads will not last as long. Generally speaking I find my Swiss Stop outlast the competition.

If you're a campy guy, check out the newest version of the King Yellow the Swiss Stop Race Pro Yellow King GHP to be available by 09 - soft availability date.

umd 09-04-08 11:46 AM

I spent about half an hour talking to the swissstop guys at Sea Otter. Their new molds are supposed to be quite an improvement. I believe the compounds are the same. IIRC it was campy pads first then shimano. My 0Gs use campy pads.

Hocam 09-04-08 12:04 PM

Make sure you clean your rim thoroughly. I use simple green and a clean rag, it's amazing how much dirt comes off it.

Zeriman 09-05-08 10:28 AM

Thanks to everyone for the input. I guess it wasn't just my imagination. I'm headed to the LBS to get a new set of Swiss Stops today.

Little Darwin 09-05-08 12:26 PM

Based on this thread I decided to order a set of Swiss Stop greens for my Voyageur that I have been unhappy with the braking on. Between that and a cantilever upgrade to Oryx (which I already have) from the old Diacompe, I am expecting great braking performance. If that fails, I will upgrade the cantilevers to the new Shimanos that are supposed to work well.

And the color of the green pads should go better with my bike than the Kool Stop salmons. ;)


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