Michelin Pro 2/3 Race vs Conti GP-4000
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Michelin Pro 2/3 Race vs Conti GP-4000
what are the differences? wear? pressure? grip? puncture resistance?
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everything.
I haven't ridden P3R or GP4000, but if you do a search... you can find comparisons between P2R vs. P3R and GP4000 vs. P2R
from what I've seen on this forum:
A lot of the wear and durability variances seem to be derived from your weight.
P3R grips better than P2R
I haven't ridden P3R or GP4000, but if you do a search... you can find comparisons between P2R vs. P3R and GP4000 vs. P2R
from what I've seen on this forum:
A lot of the wear and durability variances seem to be derived from your weight.
P3R grips better than P2R
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I actually just did a search about this over the weekend. After my search I added the Contis to my Christmas list. But depending on what you want the Michelins might be better for you.
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My rear PR3s have worn pretty fast too....it's all relative.
PR3s are a great race tire that can be ridden all the time as long as you don't mind the wear rate. Buy 3 at a time and swap the front to the rear and put the new on the front when needed.
PR3s are a great race tire that can be ridden all the time as long as you don't mind the wear rate. Buy 3 at a time and swap the front to the rear and put the new on the front when needed.
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"my rear conti 4000 wore pretty fast. "
That is surprising. I have been getting close to 4000 miles per pair on GP4000's and then I use them on my trainer in the winter for another 1500 miles or so right down to the threads. I do rotate them front to back once in awhile to even out the wear. No flats now in my last 2 pair.
That is surprising. I have been getting close to 4000 miles per pair on GP4000's and then I use them on my trainer in the winter for another 1500 miles or so right down to the threads. I do rotate them front to back once in awhile to even out the wear. No flats now in my last 2 pair.
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I've been using gp's for racing and TT's for the past year and a half with a switch to Pro 2's for one set. The 2's were fine, but feel wise I liked the GP's better. The one set of pro 2's I used wore out a bit quicker and seemed to pick up flats easier as well.
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"my rear conti 4000 wore pretty fast. "
That is surprising. I have been getting close to 4000 miles per pair on GP4000's and then I use them on my trainer in the winter for another 1500 miles or so right down to the threads. I do rotate them front to back once in awhile to even out the wear. No flats now in my last 2 pair.
That is surprising. I have been getting close to 4000 miles per pair on GP4000's and then I use them on my trainer in the winter for another 1500 miles or so right down to the threads. I do rotate them front to back once in awhile to even out the wear. No flats now in my last 2 pair.
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GP's last at least twice as long as the P3's, probably 3 times. They are not as grippy as the threes. I haven't had punctures in either but a lot more cuts on the 3's than the GP's. Smoother, grippier ride on the 3's but don't wear very well.
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Interesting... I have and do ride all three of these tires.
I raced/trained on P2R's
Race on P3R's
Winter train on GP4000's (not the black chili ones though).
My honest opinion?
Race on P3R's.
Train on P2R's.
Commute/junk/winter/rough road miles on GP4000's.
I raced/trained on P2R's
Race on P3R's
Winter train on GP4000's (not the black chili ones though).
My honest opinion?
Race on P3R's.
Train on P2R's.
Commute/junk/winter/rough road miles on GP4000's.
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I weigh 200 lbs and get 2,500 miles and replace them using 4000S. I ride smooth pavement and significant chip and seal miles and the occasional recently chip and sealed road when I have to. Between last year and this year I have ridden 8,000 plus miles with only two flats and both of them were pieces of metal that would have flatted any tire.
for what it is worth, i stopped rotating tires about five years ago. now i buy four tires at a time and wear out three rear to one front. it just seems easier.
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I have 3,657 miles on my rear Conti 4000 with zero flats, and there still may be a couple of hundred miles left. The P2s are grippier imo and remain supple at higher pressures than the 4000. For long distance races, I like a 4000 on the back for dependable flat resistance and a P2 on the front for grip and suppleness. I haven't tried the P3s.
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I have 3,657 miles on my rear Conti 4000 with zero flats, and there still may be a couple of hundred miles left. The P2s are grippier imo and remain supple at higher pressures than the 4000. For long distance races, I like a 4000 on the back for dependable flat resistance and a P2 on the front for grip and suppleness. I haven't tried the P3s.
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I rode the PR2s for a while and switched to the 4000S.. I prefer the 4000S.. they last longer. Im heavier than most everyone that posted in this thread and I get 2500-3000 out of a rear and just swap it out.
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May i throw a 3rd option at you?
Vittoria Rubino pro slicks. I recently gave them a try after running PR2s for a long time, and quite frankly....they feel the same to me, only they have a slightly narrower profile for a 23mm tire.
Vittoria Rubino pro slicks. I recently gave them a try after running PR2s for a long time, and quite frankly....they feel the same to me, only they have a slightly narrower profile for a 23mm tire.
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the biggest diff between them is ride. pr2/3 are more supple in sidewalls and filter out edginess in a road. chili gp's are firmer and you'll feel the road more. I personally always felt like the pr2's needed air even when fully inflated.
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Contis for me. They have the edge when it comes to taking them on and off the rim easily. I've never had a Michelien tire i've liked except the set of Pilot Powers I had on my motorcycle before I went to Conti Sport Attacks.
I also like the predicable handling of Contis. The GP Supersonics are a great race tire. The GP4000 is a great all around tire and i've gotten fewer flats with them than I did with a set of Gatorskins.
I run Contis on my Ducati and my VW Jetta too.
I also like the predicable handling of Contis. The GP Supersonics are a great race tire. The GP4000 is a great all around tire and i've gotten fewer flats with them than I did with a set of Gatorskins.
I run Contis on my Ducati and my VW Jetta too.
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i've used the pr3, conti 4000, and conti 4000s this year. I ride a lot of miles.
fyi, I weigh 165lb.
My opinion is, I'll never buy the pr3's again. They are far too easy to cut, get damaged, etc. I went through two rears before I gave up and went back to the conti 4000s. I don't trust them.
First rear got a slash from some glass on the road, second one got a tear in the sidewall from I've no idea what. I had five flats - all in the rear - with the pr3's this year.
I've have zero flats and significantly more miles on the conti 4000s model this year. It may be all in the head, but I think the 4000s ride slightly better than the 4000.
fyi, I weigh 165lb.
My opinion is, I'll never buy the pr3's again. They are far too easy to cut, get damaged, etc. I went through two rears before I gave up and went back to the conti 4000s. I don't trust them.
First rear got a slash from some glass on the road, second one got a tear in the sidewall from I've no idea what. I had five flats - all in the rear - with the pr3's this year.
I've have zero flats and significantly more miles on the conti 4000s model this year. It may be all in the head, but I think the 4000s ride slightly better than the 4000.
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I liked the PR2's, tried the 4000S and had a flat after 2 days, then a sidewall failure with under 1k, I really like the Rubino Pro Slicks. I'm a big guy (6'3" 216 lbs) so I get about 1200-1600 miles per set.......
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I've been using Pro 2's this past year. I like them but all i have to compare to is my Vredestein Fortezza SEs and the Sprinter's on my Zipps, which I really haven't ridden enough. I was just wondering if there is some overwhelming reason to try something else. Sounds like there's no need to try Pro 3's since I don't race and I'm a Clyde by a good margin.
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Yeah, the rear seems to last only about 750-1000mi, at least that's what I have on the current GP4000S and it's due for replacement soon. But I can live with that.
My rear P2R lasted 10mi before the sidewall got ripped open by a loose rock. Haven't tried my luck with them again, or the P3R. I can live without the hassle of a busted tire in the middle of nowhere - or bad batches, or poor quality control, or fragile gear, depending on perspective.
My rear P2R lasted 10mi before the sidewall got ripped open by a loose rock. Haven't tried my luck with them again, or the P3R. I can live without the hassle of a busted tire in the middle of nowhere - or bad batches, or poor quality control, or fragile gear, depending on perspective.