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    Dawes any good?

    Are they any good for someone wanting to start getting into a few group rides? Just entry level stuff. It was just over $200.00.

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    The most important features of an entry-level bike are:
    1. make sure you get the right size bike
    2. have an experienced person fit the bike to you
    3. buy from a good shop that assembles the bike properly

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    Do you mean the real Dawes or the ripped-off brand name Dawes?
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    Which Dawes brand? The real one, or the fake one?

    Also which model?

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    The bargain price was the Fake one. Thank you for pointing that out. I will not buy a rip off of someone else's branding. I'll look into something ar PB up in Akron.

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    For your price range, I would seriously consider buying a used, older road bike. Hopefully one that was well taken care of.

    As far as the BD bike is concerned, there are quite a few people here who have bought them and find them to be a good value. Do a search for "BD Bike" "Bikes Direct" and you will see that much of the discussion is in regards to "aggressive phrasing" found in their ads.

    We do want you to find a bike that fits and that you enjoy riding.

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    Believe me, I know about fit. I was thinking about maybe something similar to the Skattante three thirty, or a different model along the same pricing. My son is pretty happy with his three-thirty and I like the ride it gives. I am not site about the brifters as opposed to regular old down tube shifters which I grew up on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
    Which Dawes brand? The real one, or the fake one?

    Also which model?

    What makes the "real" Dawes "real"? All the road bikes on both sites look like the typical mass produced Asian products. Maybe the "real" Dawes went out of business a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sced View Post
    What makes the "real" Dawes "real"? All the road bikes on both sites look like the typical mass produced Asian products. Maybe the "real" Dawes went out of business a long time ago.
    they don't show a line for 2009

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    Quote Originally Posted by sced View Post
    What makes the "real" Dawes "real"? All the road bikes on both sites look like the typical mass produced Asian products. Maybe the "real" Dawes went out of business a long time ago.
    Good point. If that happened to be true, then the UK company would seem to be doing business much like Masi does here.

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    Well, is there a real Specialized? Or a real Claud Butler (the last of the big Brit brands to go offshore). Or a real Bianchi? Dawes no longer manufactures in the UK (my family has some of the last ones), just as Raleigh does not. It's just business reality unfortunately. But you can follow the right of succession very clearly. Afaik, they are still based in Birmingham, which is where they started. I forget which sports group owns them. It may be Derby. The most famous product is still the Galaxy touring bike, which remains the standard tourer in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Danw View Post
    Are they any good for someone wanting to start getting into a few group rides? Just entry level stuff. It was just over $200.00.
    There's nothing you can buy new from a shop that's is $200 that is an actual bike that should be ridden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
    Do you mean the real Dawes or the ripped-off brand name Dawes?
    Actually, if you buy the rights to the name it's not ripped off. Whateva.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgbguy View Post
    Actually, if you buy the rights to the name it's not ripped off. Whateva.
    And if it's bought for use in the US with no affiliation to the actual company whose reputation you're more than happy to borrow and that's still doing business in the UK, then yes, it is ripped off.
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
    And if it's bought for use in the US with no affiliation to the actual company whose reputation you're more than happy to borrow and that's still doing business in the UK, then yes, it is ripped off.
    You're just upset because you're a slow triathlete. Relax, from what I hear all the Cervelo aero tests were faked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
    And if it's bought for use in the US with no affiliation to the actual company whose reputation you're more than happy to borrow and that's still doing business in the UK, then yes, it is ripped off.
    What is the connection between the current Dawes in England to the company that built the reputation? If it's merely a trail of paperwork and the current English Dawes bikes are made in Asia alongside Treks and Motobecanes are they still one and the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgbguy View Post
    You're just upset because you're a slow triathlete. Relax, from what I hear all the Cervelo aero tests were faked.
    I bet he rides a Dawes...
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    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by acorn_user View Post
    Well, is there a real Specialized? Or a real Claud Butler (the last of the big Brit brands to go offshore). Or a real Bianchi? Dawes no longer manufactures in the UK (my family has some of the last ones), just as Raleigh does not. It's just business reality unfortunately. But you can follow the right of succession very clearly. Afaik, they are still based in Birmingham, which is where they started. I forget which sports group owns them. It may be Derby. The most famous product is still the Galaxy touring bike, which remains the standard tourer in the UK.

    I'm not sure what year the last Dawes were built in England. The latest versions, like so many other bikes, are built in Taiwan and imported.

    I have a Dawes Super Galaxy, hand built in England. Reynolds 531 and pleasure to ride for as long as you can turn a pedal. It has been mistaken for a BD bike by unknowing folks who only know the brand from BD. Same thing happens with my Motobecane, only it was built in France..........

    The original Dawes are excellent bikes, the road racers were mostly club racers but well built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrPete View Post
    And if it's bought for use in the US with no affiliation to the actual company whose reputation you're more than happy to borrow and that's still doing business in the UK, then yes, it is ripped off.
    Huh?

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    The UK Dawes may not make their own frames any longer but the company still has a reputation for good bikes. No longer up the top with The other manufacturers but they still "Assemble" and sell bikes of a sensible quality. And Warranty- Earlier this year At the LBS they had a customer with a 7 year old bike and the frame had rusted through to Holes on the top tube. That bike is no longer made but Dawes replaced the bike with a Similar model bike- and upgraded the bike from 105 to Ultegra. (They made that model in 105 but still upgraded it)

    Dawes is alive and well in the UK and if you go on an Audax ride over here- The most popular bike is still a Dawes- and some of them are new this year.
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    Well, Dawes in the UK do not approve of the bikes being sold by Dawes USA. This means that, however BD got the name, it was not from Dawes UK. I could post the email I got about it, but I'd have to find it first. Basically, you have the rump of the company, but shorn of it's manufacturing capability. Sadly, you could say the same of Raleigh and Claud Butler too, but does that make them not Raleighs/Claud Butlers?

    As regards BD, Motobecane and Windsor are deceased. Dawes is not dead. That to me is the difference. I don't think it would stop me buying one, but it does irk (as a long-time Dawes fan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by acorn_user View Post
    Dawes is not dead.
    Has is been in continuous operation or did it die for a while and was resurrected?

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    Quote Originally Posted by operator View Post
    There's nothing you can buy new from a shop that's is $200 that is an actual bike that should be ridden.
    Incorrect, some shops sell unicycles that cost less than 200 bucks

    Also, some shops sell good used bikes in that price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sced View Post
    Has is been in continuous operation or did it die for a while and was resurrected?
    In the UK, it's been in continuous operation AFAIK. They stopped selling in the US many years ago, so BD bought up "Dawes USA," though they're happy to talk about the history of quality in Dawes bicycles.
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by iab View Post
    Huh?
    Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's not shady. For instance, nowhere on any of BD's sites do I see "Dawes USA is in no way affiliated with Dawes UK" disclaimers...
    "Unless he was racing there was no way he could match my speed."

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