johnism

Looking in to these wheels and wondering everyone's thoughts or opinions on them and also where they can be found at a good price? I have also heard that you came get them built custom cheaper..If so where?
Thanks for the input,
John

Surferbruce

i got a pair of mon chasserals (same wheels just in white) from texascyclesports for 700$, they're nice and light and have a very nice ride quality. perhaps not super stiff, but roll up to speed very nicely.

threeoneseven

i was looking at these as well, but ended up having a set built for me instead as follows:

240 hubs, 1.1 rims, revo spokes - pretty much the exact parts as the 1450's. mine, though, are all black, laced 2x f/r instead of the radial/2x, and were about $200 less.

if you have a local lbs with a good wheel builder, that's the way i would go.

as far as performance, they scream up hills and get up to speed fast, but don't seem to hold there speed well. at all. i'm using pr2 special edition tires, and i'm hoping that upgrading to the pr3 will help. also, i'm 135# wet, so stiffness with any wheels is really not an issue, although a 160# riding friend found them a smidge soft after a 10 mile ride on my bike.

hope this helps.

mp123

1450s are a nice wheelset. They're built with DT Aerolite spokes which are about $5 a pop at your LBS so be sure to consider that when comparing the cost to 240s+RR1.1+revos. Not that DT revos are bad spokes but they are much cheaper...

urbanknight

American Classic hubs
Speedcific Niobium 19 rims
DT Aerolite spokes, 24 radial front, 28 2x rear
DT alloy nipples

That should come in around 1350g for under $600. You can find Aerolites for under $3 per spoke, and save another $100 if you use Revolutions instead. I'm planning on building a set soon. My choice between Aerolites or Revolutions will depend on how much money I have saved up before racing season starts.

iPAQsRock

I have a pair of the chasserals as well. Have about 500 miles on them. I agree with Surferbruce in that they have good ride quality, but the compromise is that they are not very stiff. Being light they go up hills well as threeoneseven notes. I was thinking of replacing mine with Shamal Ultras or Fulcrum Racing 0s the new 2-way fit versions.

johnism

so let me ask this why american classic hubs..why not shimano ultegra or dura-ace ( what would be the difference between these .. weight ?)
Also I am assuming 36 adds strength but also weight .. so 32 would be lighter but not as strong?

Any thoughts on Mavic A317 Disc Rims?

For 300 I can get ultegra 32 hubs with the mavic A317 .. good set ?

As always thanks for the input ,
John

BananaTugger

Shimano's newer hubs are hard to find in 24 hole drillings.

Dura-Ace hubs are a few grams lighter than Ultegra. They also have a titanium freehub body and anti-rust treatments on the bearing races.

urbanknight

Yes, Dura Ace is about over 130g heavier than American Classic. Ultegra is about 180g heavier. They roll just as well in my experience, so weight is the only reason. DT and White Industries are light as well. As BT mentioned, Shimano hubs in 24h are hard to find also.

Also yes, more spokes means stronger, all else equal. Figure each spoke weighs 4-7g depending on which model.

Do you have disc brakes on your bike? Those rims aren't designed for rim brakes.

johnism

sorry I meant Mavic A319 Rim.

see it looks like
https://www.universalcycles.com/wheelkit.php
has pretty good deals for an on line shop that does custom builds.

Hocam

I'd rather do velocity aeroheads than the DT rims. The off-center rear makes a markedly stiffer rear wheel and the profile is more aesthetically appealing to me.

BananaTugger

The Aerohead OC's break quite often compared to the Aerohead.

dekindy

I agree. Go with the Velocity Fusion if it is available, which it has not been for awhile unless that has changed recently, or the DT's.

urbanknight

Those are very heavy, meant for cyclocross or what the mountainbike crowd calls "29er". Much much different than the wheels you mentioned in the first post. What are your intentions for these wheels?

I'm starting to prefer double eyelets over OCR for reliable builds, but the best of both worlds is in the Speedcific (or IRD) Niobium 19 which has double eyelets and offers an OCR rear. On top of that, it's one of the lightest clincher rims at 400g. A little noodley for heavier riders, though.

SushiJoe

I run DT 1.2s, Aerolites and 240s hubs. Fantastic wheel. Very strong (28 spokes F&R). Can't go wrong with this setup.

Coyote2

The dt 1.2 rim is pretty heavy, though. Probably a good wheel for training and for racing in flatter terrain.

SushiJoe

Haha, like Nebraska?
They are heavier than I'd like but they are mostly training wheels only. Plus they are super tough. I have other, lighter wheels I can race on.

Hocam

Never heard of that, 4,000+ miles on mine and 0 problems.

Coyote2

I didn't catch your location, but got it now. Believe me, I know how flat (and windy) it is in NE -- even if it's not too bad today.
I had some 27mm tall rims and found them to catch too much wind on a bad day.

BananaTugger

Consider yourself lucky. I've seen two of them pull spokes after 1500 KM or less. Both wheels were built by someone who knows what they are doing.

SushiJoe

30 mph gusts the other day were catching my 28-spoked wheels with DT 1.2 rims fairly easily. It made fast descents with the cross-wind a tad hairy.