Ksyrium ES or DT Swiss r1.1 with 240 hubs?
12-15-08, 01:34 PM
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Ksyrium ES or DT Swiss r1.1 with 240 hubs?
If the cost is roughly the same, which one would you go for? This set will be for my training / commuter bike.
12-15-08, 01:38 PM
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Tough call. BUT, since I have both of the above and I'm selling the ES set, I'd probably go with the DTs. Especially if you are going to use Aerolite spokes. However, I'm really selling the ESs instead because I can get more for them. So there you go.
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I have the DT RR 1.1, 240 hubs, and DT revolution spokes (28 front 32 back) for my main/training wheels. Also have Mavik Aksiums. The DT's are less aero than the Mavics (meaning I can reach a higher top speed on local hills) but the DT's are awesome everyday wheels as they spin up great going up hills, etc.
Can't comment on durability because I've only ridden about 1,000 miles on the DT's.
Ksyriums are less aero than the cheaper Aksiums. For a plain traning wheel, I think Mavic Aksiums are the best bang-for-the-buck wheelset. They can be had for $150-175 online for the pair. They are heavy but are built to last and are aero.
But I would unquestionably get the DT's over the Ksyriums.
Can't comment on durability because I've only ridden about 1,000 miles on the DT's.
Ksyriums are less aero than the cheaper Aksiums. For a plain traning wheel, I think Mavic Aksiums are the best bang-for-the-buck wheelset. They can be had for $150-175 online for the pair. They are heavy but are built to last and are aero.
But I would unquestionably get the DT's over the Ksyriums.
12-15-08, 09:13 PM
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I really like my DT's here's some pics:
.....SOLID wheels, spin up fast, love them
.....SOLID wheels, spin up fast, love them
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Cool Felt! It's a Scandium frame right? Rather, Al with some Scandium mixed in. How does it ride??
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To the OP: I'd take the DT Swiss combo. I have the hubs on a different set of sheels and they're great. I also don't like how the K's are so common...but that's just me.
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DT Swiss R1.1 with 240 hubs from https://wheelbuilder.com They are superb people to deal with.
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I have the DT RR 1.1, 240 hubs, and DT revolution spokes (28 front 32 back) for my main/training wheels. Also have Mavik Aksiums. The DT's are less aero than the Mavics (meaning I can reach a higher top speed on local hills) but the DT's are awesome everyday wheels as they spin up great going up hills, etc.
12-16-08, 05:37 AM
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DT's because if you break a spoke, any shop will have something to replace it with. It may be a straight gauge but it'll get you going. If you break an ES spoke, its usually something that has to be ordered unless you live in a bigger market or have a huge mavic dealer nearby.
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To the OP, Joe Young built mine: https://www.youngwheels.com/
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12-16-08, 08:39 AM
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Ride it how you like - it's not his bike! He does have a point about the cross-chaining though...
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12-16-08, 09:17 AM
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Nobody suggested double eyelet for durability. You may want to consider double eyelet on the front and 1.2 on the rear. Just a thought if you really intend them to be durable for training/commuting.
12-16-08, 10:09 AM
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While I love the visual bling of Ksyrium ESs, I have had nothing but trouble with my Ksyrium Elites over the past 2 years: Had the hubs rebuilt once already, then had to replace the bearings again, they need to be re-trued about every 3-4 months, and the spokes still wind up twisting which completely defeats their aero (sic) design. And while I realize that the ES is ostensibly a much nicer wheel than the Elite, it's still on a fundamental level the same thing. So I'd be leery.
OTOH, I just placed an order with Joe Young yesterday (!) for a set of wheels: DT Swiss 240s hubs, DT Swiss RR1.1 rims, and DT Swiss SuperComp spokes (Joe's recommendation, 28 front & back). So I guess that answers OPs question!
OTOH, I just placed an order with Joe Young yesterday (!) for a set of wheels: DT Swiss 240s hubs, DT Swiss RR1.1 rims, and DT Swiss SuperComp spokes (Joe's recommendation, 28 front & back). So I guess that answers OPs question!
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Not even a question.... get the DT set.
Skip the 1.2 on the rear though.... if you really want a 30mm rim, get a Niobium 30mm rim. They are just as durable and weigh about 100 grams less than a 1.2. I'd just stick with the good old 32 hole r1.1 though. Maybe throw a 28 hole on the front.
Skip the 1.2 on the rear though.... if you really want a 30mm rim, get a Niobium 30mm rim. They are just as durable and weigh about 100 grams less than a 1.2. I'd just stick with the good old 32 hole r1.1 though. Maybe throw a 28 hole on the front.
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I saw a wheel with a Niobium rim the other day. Was it a Williams?
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Not even a question.... get the DT set.
Skip the 1.2 on the rear though.... if you really want a 30mm rim, get a Niobium 30mm rim. They are just as durable and weigh about 100 grams less than a 1.2. I'd just stick with the good old 32 hole r1.1 though. Maybe throw a 28 hole on the front.
Skip the 1.2 on the rear though.... if you really want a 30mm rim, get a Niobium 30mm rim. They are just as durable and weigh about 100 grams less than a 1.2. I'd just stick with the good old 32 hole r1.1 though. Maybe throw a 28 hole on the front.
