fauxto nick

I found nothing in the search function so flame suit off.

Any who my only question is Mavic's website said the only difference between the ES' and the new SL's are that the SL's have an asymmetrical hub? Can anyone explain what the $hit that means? Some 07' ES' are coming on my new bike and they're hot but I'm just curious.

Cdy291

You will get Ti skewers with your ES's too. The new SL doesn't have them, you have to go up to the near useless SL premium.

Mike V

They both have crappy warranty and customer service.

fauxto nick

Yah man I noticed that, it's like a 5 gram loss for the premium's how crazy is that? $200 something more for 5g.

I just was curious what the asymmetrical rims are in the back.

tanhalt

I'd sell 'em and get a set of Forte Titans for training and put the difference towards some race wheels...

fauxto nick

Yah can't decide if I want to sell them or keep em', I have a pair of EA70's I've been racing and training on I love em'. At the same time the Ksyriums are a bit lighter and stiffer I might continue to race crits on the EA70 and use the Ksyriums for races with lots of climbing and training. I'm just not sure. I have a feeling once I get the bike home I won't be able to sell them lol I've always wanted a pair.

fauxto nick

No answer yet on the whole asymmetrical rim thing.

Gluteus

Use the search function!

As many people have said in other threads.. BF's search function is useless. Use Google (it would probably direct you to a thread in BF, as it has happened to me)

fauxto nick

I looked around saw nothing.

fauxto nick

Maybe some of you can weigh in on if the 07/08 Ksyrium ES are trumped at all by the 09 SL?

Gluteus

I bought an Specialized that came with Kysirum ES. The rear wheel kept needing truing (after few miles). I took it back to the shop and they sent it to Mavic. After several weeks, Mavic sent a new set of Kysirum SL (they didn't have any ES), that has given me no problem after ~3500 miles.

Frankly, I couldn't tell the difference in the way they look (I believe the ES were a few grams lighter).
Sorry, that doesn't directly answer the question. Both are nearly identical.

fauxto nick

No, that actually is good info, so I guess the ES had some traits of the current SL-Premium. Anywho I typically have terrible luck with defective equipment in everything I do so if there were some bad Ksyrium ES' out there in 07 that'd go out of true I guarantee you I'll get one haha.

I think in the end I'm goign to have to flip a coin for if I keep these or sell these . Now I have a set of good training wheels and a set of amazing training wheels.

ok_commuter

First you said "assymetric(al) hub", now you're saying rim.

I don't think I'll ever want an assymetric rim. That would be odd.

An assymetric hub might make sense. But that link there didn't help me much. Good luck with it.

I *assumed* that you were referring to a rear hub which had a different flange size on the DS and NDS, which might allow for a more consistent spoke tension on both sides of the rear wheel. I say "might" b/c I have no idea and have never heard of such a thing. But it seems like a cool idea.

MONGO!

No harm having a spare set but I'd probably sell them and get some deep carbon tubulars.

ok_commuter

On second thought, assymetric rear hub probably means fewer (half?) as many spokes on the left as on the right? I know that's been done before and should serve to equalize tension on each side and mean the left side (typically lower tensioned) spokes are less prone to breakage.

My newbie wheelbuilder $.02

fauxto nick

No I meant symmetrical rear rim sorry, that's what it says on Mavic's website. Yeti t gives no info on what that does, all it says that was modified on the SL from the ES is that it has an symmetrical rear rim.

fauxto nick

I def want some deep carbon tubulars but I haven't decided on what and I'm waiting for a great deal to come along, like if BT threw up some EC90 Aeros at $900ish.

Good thing about keeping the ksyriums is I don't necessarily want to race my System Six all the time and my 1500 has 9 speed. If I had both then I'd have good wheels on both bikes.

I've said it before, as soon as I'm sittin' in my room having a beer and the System Six is sitting in the corner with the ES' on them... I know I won't want to sell them!

ok_commuter

oh. symmetric rim just refers to whether the spoke holes are offset to the center line, or spot on the center line. i think. when you originally said asymmetric rim i imagined something like a elliptical/biopace rim shape...

i just did some cxp-33 (like aerohead shape)that had the spoke holes symmetric, right on the center line. i believe most box section rims (like open pro shape) are offset, or assymetric. i'm too new to building wheels or paying attention to that stuff to know how common either is, or to state the advantages of either.

MONGO!

I hear ya.

In the meantime there's always this option:
https://www.flitwheels.com/onlinestore.html

fauxto nick

Ohhh that makes sense, man I'm always surprised how critical ppl are about Ksyrium ES' on here... then again I guess 1485g @$1000+ is kinda a bit high. Everyone says they're heavy but for me they're pretty damn light!

umd

You guys are funny.

It's just an off center rim

fauxto nick

I'm def going to wait till I get the carbon tubbies I really want rather than whatever is the easiest to get ya know? I'm already having problems now that I've put the down payment on the System Six with the idea of racing it so I'd imagine the same thing with a set of carbon tubbies. I mean if I broke my SS frame in two I could get another one on eBay for $500-$800, that's not much more if more than it would take to replace some broken rims...

I might just try and see if I can get a pair of used EC90 or something like that for around $500. Another thing is do I go with ultralight climbing tubbies or deep section tubbies like EC90 Aeros/Reynolds KOMs or EC90 SLX/Reynolds KOM

fauxto nick

UMD, always there to make me feel like a ******** kid in a calculus class.

umd

I still have those ultra-light R-SYS for sale

fauxto nick

HAHA dude I'll trade you these Ksyrium ES'... to go along with the 50 billion other ones you have around your pad .

Actually keep them, then when we ride I'll put em' on so I can totally drop you (SIKE).