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    Senior Member cyclezealot's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny99 View Post
    fyi - here is the state-by-state data from the NHTSA web site:
    http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810986.PDF
    I never had luck opening PDF files.. I 'd like to see the per capita data for Calif. .Having lived in both states, I say. Californians show far more begrudingly , a bike friendly face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasandalb View Post
    there is a price you pay to be able to cycle OUTDOORS year round.

    I'll take my chances...

    If you want to call anyplace where the closest you get a vertical climb higher than 1500ft an 8 hour drive away "a place to cycle".....you go right ahead

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    I live here in florida and in our area it gets pretty congested at times. i would say maybe some of the contributing factors could be as follows
    1. large population of old people driving cars.
    2. large population of people that have lost lisence to DUI riding bikes and also drunk while on them
    3. lots of transients ride bikes also and many are on drugs all the time.
    4. year round riding weather
    5. I would imagine many die of heat exhaustion on bikes too.
    6. not many bike lanes on our roads, something california is way ahead of us on.
    I wonder if alot of the deaths could be related to these types of cyclists and not people who are out getting exercise
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    Stand and Deliver FLvector's Avatar
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    Yes, Life in Florida sucks.
    Quote Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post
    You might say that, but you know you'll be back to visit. Won't you. Ya, go ahead, you can admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLvector View Post
    Yes, Life in Florida sucks. You might say that, but you know you'll be back to visit. Won't you. Ya, go ahead, you can admit it.
    Why would anyone aside from Mickey-Mouse-infatuated tykes and bluehairs from Quebec want to go to Florida?

    And before you get too proud of yourself for living in a place with warm winter weather, the only, and I mean only reason "snowbirds" go to Florida is because of the weather in the winter. It isn't the culture or the attractions, and there's no question it has nothing to do with the people.

    Don't kid yourself...the day that the Turks and Caicos Islands formally become a protectorate or territory or even province of Canada is the day Florida goes bankrupt.
    The pleasure is momentary, the position ridiculous, and the expense damnable.

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    Originally Posted FLvector
    If you live for snow your in the right place and if I don't like it, so am I. But if you like riding outdoors for 12 months/year instead of a trainer for 2-3 months, FL has you beat. I could care less about skiing. Did plenty of it while living in the Poconos. To each his own.

    Quote Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post
    Err incorrect....we ride 12 months a year out here on the flats just like you...the only thing we don't do in the winter is climb. You didn't ski in the Pocono's...you slid around on ice

    All this smack talkin and you said the following in the "I hate Winter thread"
    "I love Winter...all that biking in the summer let's me put in 60 days on skis a year then it gets warm again and I put away the skis and pull out the bike. Fortunately that doesn't happen for at least another 2 months." And "Anything below 40*F is not riding weather. Really???

    So much for your riding 12 months a year. Just as I thought. Busted.

    Give it up Dawg

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Why would anyone aside from Mickey-Mouse-infatuated tykes and bluehairs from Quebec want to go to Florida?

    And before you get too proud of yourself for living in a place with warm winter weather, the only, and I mean only reason "snowbirds" go to Florida is because of the weather in the winter. It isn't the culture or the attractions, and there's no question it has nothing to do with the people.

    Don't kid yourself...the day that the Turks and Caicos Islands formally become a protectorate or territory or even province of Canada is the day Florida goes bankrupt.
    I'd prefer to avoid criticizing an area and their people unless I have spent a considerable amount of time and had a good understanding on their people and culture. Enough said.

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    How did I miss this whole thread? Oh yeah, it was in Road Cycling!

    But seriously it is interesting to see how impassioned some folks are about defending Florida and others are about criticizing it. For me, it's just where I live, and you've got to ride, right? It's not like I can just lock myself indoors because I don't live in a cycling utopia.

    Sure drivers suck, (some) roads suck and you have to watch out for yourself, but isn't that the way it is everywhere? If the riding is that much better other places, I sure would like to hear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rousseau View Post
    Why would anyone aside from Mickey-Mouse-infatuated tykes and bluehairs from Quebec want to go to Florida?
    I'm not an infatuated tyke or a blue hair from Quebec yet I'd take most any part of Florida over most any part of Southern Ontario 24/7/356. BTW I lived for 1 year in London (Ont.) 2 years in Stratford (Ont) and 7 years in Orlando and Miami. Not anti Canukistan either -- would take Vancouver/Vancouver Island over any of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLvector View Post
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    ...Anything below 40*F is not riding weather...
    I'm pretty sure "Ski Dawg" is on Colorado's Front Range / Denver. Avg high in Denver in Dec is 47, avg high in Jan is 46. So, if someone thinks that riding below 40*F is not riding weather, they could still ride in Denver 12 months a year.

    I'm a wuss and won't ride if it's below 50*F. But that still leaves me w/ about 10 months of riding time in Denver.
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    Luckily I live 4 miles from a state park with a 7 mile paved loop for cyclists, walkers, runners, etc., with a 2 mile run in to the loop. I can ride my bike there mostly through strip mall parking lots and paved bike paths off the road. I do 99% of my in-week riding there.

    The only time I will ride the open roads are with a pack; e.g., Saturday ride with the club and Sunday ride with a mass of about 60-100 riders in San Antonio.

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    Well the Florida legislature is mostly incompetent and our budget is a mess.

    Thank God we have California to make us look good.

    Sad thing is they pay a load of state taxes too.


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