ninjanoir78

hi, with a chorus 2009 11 speed (shifters, chain, cassette, rear derailleur), can I use the centaur 09 brakes set and centaur 09 front derailleur ???

Campag4life

Yup.

DaveSSS 

Yes, but the Centaur is a 10 speed RD, not 11. The Chorus FD isn't much more expensive.

If you happen to already have a 10 speed RD, you can use that with a slight modification. The RD is a major cost item.

You also need to figure out how you intend to join the chain. Using the new 11 speed joining pin, requires the new chain tool. A SRAM 10 powerloc is a cheap alternative.

n00bL35

I don't know what ^ is talking about, but you shouldn't have any trouble using the Centaur FD.

DaveSSS 

Campy has been changing the FD quite frequently in the last few years. '07-'08 models all have longer lever arms and are referred to as QS. The '08 FDs only comes in one version for compact and standard cranks, rather than separate compact and standard models.

For '09 the lever arm length and cable routing were both changed to match the ultrashift levers. The levers arm is shorter, but with the new shifters, it takes 4 clicks to cover the full range of travel, just like the previous QS models. If you route the cable in the same manner as an '08 FD, it won't shift correctly.

A 10 speed '09 Centaur FD will have a slightly wider cage than an 11 speed, so as far as Campy is concerned, they don't consider it to be compatible. but I doubt most people would notice any difference.

FWIW, I setup my first 11 speed bike with an '08 Chorus 10 FD and crank and it seemed to work just fine.

ninjanoir78

about the chain, I saw the tool for that it's about 200$$, wow, I think we can use a standard tool**********

substructure

The LBS bought one because of two of us going 11-speed.

DaveSSS 

The chain tool can be had for $150 or less, from the UK. It is a MUST if you intend to use the new joining pin. If you read the chain installation instructions, the reason is obvious. The right end of the pin requires a "flaring" operation, using the pointed end of the tool to flare the inside of the hollow pin and make it expand, holding it tight to the outer plate. No other tool can perform that operation.

https://www.campagnolo.com/repository...s_UK-03-09.pdf

The SRAM 10 powerloc is a cheap alternative. I'm using a wipperman 10S1 link to join one of my chains and it;s working fine. The 10S1 is no longer made, but might still be found. Performance supposedly selld them, but I'm skeptical. The link must be marked 10S1, not 10 SPEED, or it will really be a sloppy fit.

Super Guanche

Nope. Based on the way it works, I wouldn't advise it.

MIN 

I just bought the chain tool - by far the most expense tool I've purchased. The price of glory is steep indeed.

Campag4life

So Dave you are saying a 10s link can be used on the 11s chain to avoid the pricey flairing tool? What makes the 10S1 link special? I am presuming 10s chains are the same in width...is this so?
Thanks.

ninjanoir78

you think we can use a sram red chain with the super record 11 speed???

briscoelab

no.

DaveSSS 

Definitely not.

DaveSSS 

All 10 speed chains are about the same outside width (5.9mm) but not the same across the inner plates. Shimano, KMC and the current Wipperman are wider than the Campy 10 UN and SRAM 10.

A proper fitting link will have a side clearance between the inner and outer plates of .004-.008 inch. The outside width is less critical.

10 speed chains with the narrowest width across the inner plates are the SRAM 10, Campy 10 and no longer made Wipperman 10S1. All of these will still be a rather sloppy fit that is not ideal, but any other links will have about .004 inch more clearance and make for an even sloppier fit.

The forster superlink model 4 and a special KMC missing link for the Campy UN chain should all fit about the same as the SRAM 10 powerloc.