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Old 05-19-09, 05:07 PM   #1
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Bicycle fit cost put towards the cost of a frame?

I'm looking at purchasing a new frame and also need to have a fitting done. The guys at Salsa told me that the price of the fitting is often put towards the cost of a new bike. Do you think the same will be applied to the cost of a frame, as that's all I need? Any knowledge about this would be great. Thanks!
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Bike fit is a personal thing.
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Bike fit is a personal thing. However is Salsa going to make a custom size frame for you or are the people at the LBS just going to find a size already made by salsa to fit you? Serotta has the same thing except Serotta will actually take those measurements and custom make a frame that will fit you like a glove. If the LBS is just going to take a Salsa bike that has 5 or 6 different generic sizes and find one that is closer to your size then their ripping you off by trying to suck you into buying a Salsa to get your fitting cost back, thus if you change your mind and decide to try some other bikes at another LBS your going to feel obligated to get the Salsa. Think about this a little bit more.
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Would it not be possible to gain valuable measurements without having a particular bike? You know how you sit on the little measuring bike thing and they see what's most comfortable.... I'm simply trying to figure out what size to buy and I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone by getting measured and applying that money towards a frame. Am I missing something? I've been set on the La Cruz for a long time now. I'm fairly new to all of this stuff so feel free to enlighten me. I thought it didn't sound reasonable as I wouldn't be buying a complete bike but thought I'd ask anyway. Thanks!

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You shouldn't be getting charged for this. My LBS, before I ordered the bike, put me on a special fitting bike (a goofy looking thing, that's for sure) and took my general measurements to determine which size frame to order. There was no cost for this, and there shouldn't be if you're ordering it through them.
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If your done shopping and your dead set on a particular bike, and they want to charge you $150 or whatever for a fitting, and they they will take that $150 and apply it towards the bike your dead set on, then no it would not be a waste of money. I guess my question is then, if they know your going to buy a bike from them then why go through all the hassle of charging you for a fitting then apply the money toward a bike. Seems odd to me; it seems like they want to make sure that you don't leave the store without buying a bike and if you do at least they made some money off of you.
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That's simply what the guy at Salsa told me. I called to discuss fit and he said to go get fitted. Perhaps he thought that I wanted a complete bike and maybe that's the difference. I don't understand why people are calling this a rip off as I'd be saving money on the frame AND get fitted. I'm not set on a particular shop either so I guess I should call around and see what they say. I suppose no one has experienced this before. Thanks for the help!
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Some shops will charge you for a fitting even if you're buying the bike from them which is a bit ridiculous since you're already giving them the business. I can understand being charged for a fit when you just need the data, so I'd inquire why the charge if you're purchasing a bike from them.
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I had a professional bike fit from a qualified high end bike shop. They charge $350 for the fitting but will credit $200 towards a new bike purchased within 12 months. I did not need or want a custom bike frame. Here is my story: Soma Double Cross Commuter build, finally finished!

Many here at BF deride professional fittings. It was very worthwhile for me since this was my first new road bike in 30 years.

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I had a professional bike fit from a qualified high end bike shop. They charge $350 for the fitting but will credit $200 towards a new bike purchased within 12 months. I did not need or want a custom bike frame. Here is my story: Soma Double Cross Commuter build, finally finished!

Many here at BF deride professional fittings. It was very worthwhile for me since this was my first new road bike in 30 years.

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Many here at BF deride professional fittings. It was very worthwhile for me since this was my first new road bike in 30 years.

Let the flame war begin!

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Michael there is nothing wrong with a professional fitting so your not going to get a flame war. The problem is that 98% of all bikes purchased are not custom built bikes, they are bikes that are purchased within the stock factory sizes that they offer. For factory built bikes that offer select stock sizes professional fitting is unnecessary when you can get fitted using the same principles that Randochop gave us at this site: http://www.veloweb.ca/bikefit.html and there are other sites that offer the same advice such as: http://www.ehow.com/how_14104_determ...ect-frame.html and http://www.caree.org/bike101bikefit.htm for fine tuning or http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm.

How can a shop custom fit you on a bike when they only offer you 8 different sizes and your going to fit on 1 or 2 of those sizes? Just by doing a basic tape measurement of your inseam will tell them right away which size is right for you. If your barefoot inseam is 86cm you multiply that by 65 and you get 55.9 which means that a 56cm road bike is the ideal size for you. Most manufactures make a 56 so that stock size will be fine. Below is a basic chart of sizes to see how this works with stock sizes.

Determining Your Road Bike Frame Size
Height Inseam Length Bike Frame Size
4'10" - 5'1" 25.5” - 27” 46 - 48 cm
5'0" - 5'3" 26.5" - 28" 48 - 50 cm
5'2" - 5'5" 27.5" - 29" 50 - 52 cm
5'4" - 5'7" 28.5" - 30" 52 - 54 cm
5'6" - 5'9" 29.5" - 31" 54 - 56 cm
5'8" - 5'11" 30.5" - 32" 56 - 58 cm
5'10" - 6'1" 31.5" - 33" 58 - 60 cm
6'0" - 6'3" 32.5" - 34" 60 - 62 cm
6'2" - 6'5" 34.5" - 36" 62 - 64 cm

As I said before, I'm not against paying for a fitting IF the entire charge for that fitting is going to be used towards the cost of the bike I'm dead set on purchasing from them.

All my bikes were purchased without any custom fitting machines and they all fit well.
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Michael there is nothing wrong with a professional fitting so your not going to get a flame war. The problem is that 98% of all bikes purchased are not custom built bikes, they are bikes that are purchased within the stock factory sizes that they offer. For factory built bikes that offer select stock sizes professional fitting is unnecessary when you can get fitted using the same principles that Randochop gave us at this site: http://www.veloweb.ca/bikefit.html and there are other sites that offer the same advice such as: http://www.ehow.com/how_14104_determ...ect-frame.html and http://www.caree.org/bike101bikefit.htm for fine tuning or http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm.

How can a shop custom fit you on a bike when they only offer you 8 different sizes and your going to fit on 1 or 2 of those sizes? Just by doing a basic tape measurement of your inseam will tell them right away which size is right for you. If your barefoot inseam is 86cm you multiply that by 65 and you get 55.9 which means that a 56cm road bike is the ideal size for you. Most manufactures make a 56 so that stock size will be fine. Below is a basic chart of sizes to see how this works with stock sizes.

Determining Your Road Bike Frame Size
Height Inseam Length Bike Frame Size
4'10" - 5'1" 25.5” - 27” 46 - 48 cm
5'0" - 5'3" 26.5" - 28" 48 - 50 cm
5'2" - 5'5" 27.5" - 29" 50 - 52 cm
5'4" - 5'7" 28.5" - 30" 52 - 54 cm
5'6" - 5'9" 29.5" - 31" 54 - 56 cm
5'8" - 5'11" 30.5" - 32" 56 - 58 cm
5'10" - 6'1" 31.5" - 33" 58 - 60 cm
6'0" - 6'3" 32.5" - 34" 60 - 62 cm
6'2" - 6'5" 34.5" - 36" 62 - 64 cm

As I said before, I'm not against paying for a fitting IF the entire charge for that fitting is going to be used towards the cost of the bike I'm dead set on purchasing from them.

All my bikes were purchased without any custom fitting machines and they all fit well.
There's some value in it since they can help you with everything from proper cleat positioning, pedaling technique and being set up with the right stem etc. which can be an expensive run in terms of trial & error. All of what I described should be a part of how they set you up to begin with though so paying $$$ for more seems too much.
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There's some value in it since they can help you with everything from proper cleat positioning, pedaling technique and being set up with the right stem etc. which can be an expensive run in terms of trial & error. All of what I described should be a part of how they set you up to begin with though so paying $$$ for more seems too much.
LBS's have been doing what you described for years without the expense of a fitting machine!
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Michael there is nothing wrong with a professional fitting so your not going to get a flame war. The problem is that 98% of all bikes purchased are not custom built bikes, they are bikes that are purchased within the stock factory sizes that they offer. For factory built bikes that offer select stock sizes professional fitting is unnecessary when you can get fitted using the same principles that Randochop gave us at this site: http://www.veloweb.ca/bikefit.html and there are other sites that offer the same advice such as: http://www.ehow.com/how_14104_determ...ect-frame.html and http://www.caree.org/bike101bikefit.htm for fine tuning or http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/fitting.htm.

Ok, I'll show my newbness and a question on this. I'm debating on trying to make my current(first) road bike fit me better, or go buy a new one. I've read so much on fitting being crucial, and every LBS offers fitting services around here, but if I'm buying a bike they have on the floor, is it going to be worth anything? I would think for it to be useful, they would have to be willing to swap out cranks, bars, risers, etc. to make it fit ideal. Is that what they do? Before I bought my bike last year, I went to a couple shops looking, and they all just sized me up by eye, adjusted the seat up and said this is the size you need, take it for a test ride.
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There's some value in it since they can help you with everything from proper cleat positioning, pedaling technique and being set up with the right stem etc. which can be an expensive run in terms of trial & error.
This was the reason for the fitting. In addition, the frame was purchased sight-unseen and the bike was a build project. I'm going back for a free review after 1500 miles on the bike. I have no regrets paying trained & experienced people to do their job. It beats the usual bike-shop retail experience without a doubt. Considering that I ride 500 miles a month, about 110 hours worth, It's been worth it.

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Ok, I'll show my newbness and a question on this. I'm debating on trying to make my current(first) road bike fit me better, or go buy a new one. I've read so much on fitting being crucial, and every LBS offers fitting services around here, but if I'm buying a bike they have on the floor, is it going to be worth anything? I would think for it to be useful, they would have to be willing to swap out cranks, bars, risers, etc. to make it fit ideal. Is that what they do? Before I bought my bike last year, I went to a couple shops looking, and they all just sized me up by eye, adjusted the seat up and said this is the size you need, take it for a test ride.
They don't size you by eyeballing you...or at least they shouldn't. But there are key measurements they need to make and they can do that with a machine at least for factory stocked bikes. But the cranks, bars and risers is not an issue that can't be handle by simple manual measurements, they don't need to charge you $150 to $300 for a fit machine to do it.

Don't get me wrong here guys, I'm not against the fit machine. If I were buying a custom made bike I would probably look into it...I guess my only question is how does custom bike makers such as Richard Sach and Rivendell make such expensive custom made bikes without the aid of either the person being there or a fit machine? I've never heard anyone complain about the fit of these types of bikes.
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They don't size you by eyeballing you...or at least they shouldn't. But there are key measurements they need to make and they can do that with a machine at least for factory stocked bikes. But the cranks, bars and risers is not an issue that can't be handle by simple manual measurements, they don't need to charge you $150 to $300 for a fit machine to do it.

Don't get me wrong here guys, I'm not against the fit machine. If I were buying a custom made bike I would probably look into it...I guess my only question is how does custom bike makers such as Richard Sach and Rivendell make such expensive custom made bikes without the aid of either the person being there or a fit machine? I've never heard anyone complain about the fit of these types of bikes.
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The LBS where I bought my bike included the fit in the cost of the bike. They even put me on multiple bikes to try out and had me up on the stand on them. Eventually I picked my CAAD9 so I scheduled a time to go in and get fit on that bike specifically. As I said, it was included in the cost of the bike.
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Determining Your Road Bike Frame Size
Height Inseam Length Bike Frame Size
4'10" - 5'1" 25.5” - 27” 46 - 48 cm
5'0" - 5'3" 26.5" - 28" 48 - 50 cm
5'2" - 5'5" 27.5" - 29" 50 - 52 cm
5'4" - 5'7" 28.5" - 30" 52 - 54 cm
5'6" - 5'9" 29.5" - 31" 54 - 56 cm
5'8" - 5'11" 30.5" - 32" 56 - 58 cm
5'10" - 6'1" 31.5" - 33" 58 - 60 cm
6'0" - 6'3" 32.5" - 34" 60 - 62 cm
6'2" - 6'5" 34.5" - 36" 62 - 64 cm

I'd knacker myself trying to step over 52-54!

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