Look vs Shimano vs Speedplay
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Look vs Shimano vs Speedplay
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I'm looking at buying some pedals for my new roadbike. I've been using MTB shoes/eggbeaters on my fixie for commuting, but I figured I'd step up to some real road shoes/pedals for the caad9. I'm deciding between the look classics, shimano 5610 (105), and some sort of speedplay. My friend has speedplays, and while I how they're double sided like my eggbeaters, I feel a bit less float is probably a good thing in a roadbike. What would you guys say?
Shoe recommendations would be awesome too. Anyone have experience with either the Sidi Raidens, or the Shimano RO76/86?
I'm looking at buying some pedals for my new roadbike. I've been using MTB shoes/eggbeaters on my fixie for commuting, but I figured I'd step up to some real road shoes/pedals for the caad9. I'm deciding between the look classics, shimano 5610 (105), and some sort of speedplay. My friend has speedplays, and while I how they're double sided like my eggbeaters, I feel a bit less float is probably a good thing in a roadbike. What would you guys say?
Shoe recommendations would be awesome too. Anyone have experience with either the Sidi Raidens, or the Shimano RO76/86?
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I have Looks and though they are great, I will probably buy Speedplays eventually. Like you said, double sided and play are nice. The problem with SPs is they never go on sale and are kind of expensive.
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About float, I quite like it having it. It gives my knees a little more leeway so my cleat position isn't as crucial. I've got a set of Ultegras...
I've been looking Speedplay too, but I don't need a new set of pedals just because.
I've been looking Speedplay too, but I don't need a new set of pedals just because.
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I suggest the LOOK pedals with Sidi shoes.
Though the Speedplay pedals are easier to clip into due to the 2 sided clip-in. Cant count the amount of times I have at a light tried to clip in and my pedal system is spinning b/c I tapped it with my shoe and now have to wait for it to either stop or I connect on the right side.
Though the Speedplay pedals are easier to clip into due to the 2 sided clip-in. Cant count the amount of times I have at a light tried to clip in and my pedal system is spinning b/c I tapped it with my shoe and now have to wait for it to either stop or I connect on the right side.
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my local performance bike had lsat years light action reduced to 99 (from 115 i think).
Then had 20% off coupon and 10% back in credit.
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Though the Speedplay pedals are easier to clip into due to the 2 sided clip-in. Cant count the amount of times I have at a light tried to clip in and my pedal system is spinning b/c I tapped it with my shoe and now have to wait for it to either stop or I connect on the right side.
(Full Disclosure: I've been on Look since the 1980s and have never really explored other options. Thus, I have limited experience and strong biases.)
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Look: Larger platform, limited float, a little tricky to set cleats, easy maintenance, fits any budget, and rotates to the same position for ease of clipping in.
Shimano: Same features as Look.
Speedplay: Smaller platform, much more float*, easy to set cleats, finicky maintenance, only fits mid to high budgets, and double sided for ease of clipping in.
* Adjustable float if you get Zeros.
Shimano: Same features as Look.
Speedplay: Smaller platform, much more float*, easy to set cleats, finicky maintenance, only fits mid to high budgets, and double sided for ease of clipping in.
* Adjustable float if you get Zeros.
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I had zeros for quite a while, and I liked the float a lot, and they clipped in really easily. I wasn't crazy about the small platform, it just didn't feel quite as stable. I now have Ultegra pedals. There is still plenty of float for me, but they are a bit more finicky when clipping in. I love the larger platform though. It feels a lot better when I am sprinting or out of the saddle and pedaling hard.
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Look. I have been using them since 1986. When it came time to replace my old ARC/delta Carbon Pros, I tried the Speedplay's. Nice pedals,but clunky, cumbersome, heavy cleats. I always manged to get a stone, or some other matter, in the cleats whilst walking and it made engagement practically impossible. I just never warmed up to the Speedplay's and went to Look Keo's.
The Keo's are very light, similar, but smaller, cleat compared to the Delta.
Shoe choice makes a big difference. I have Sidi's and the stiff soles make the "contact patch" size less important.
Of course, as in all things....YMMV!
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The Keo's are very light, similar, but smaller, cleat compared to the Delta.
Shoe choice makes a big difference. I have Sidi's and the stiff soles make the "contact patch" size less important.
Of course, as in all things....YMMV!
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I'll probably go for the Look pedals. Is there a reason to go with the Sprint over the Classic?
As far as shoes go, anyone have an opinion on the Sidi Raidens/low end Shimano shoes?
As far as shoes go, anyone have an opinion on the Sidi Raidens/low end Shimano shoes?
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Sprint goes up to a higher tension so it's harder to clip out. In my opinion, you don't need that unless you're riding the velodrome or are a sloppy but very strong road/crit sprinter.
Sidi and Shimano are decent shoes. The lower end models have fewer straps and softer soles, so they're a little harder to fit comfortably and they lose a tiny bit of energy on the pedal stroke. More importantly, Sidi and Shimano fit differently from each other. I fit Shimano shoes but not Sidi... Sidis are too narrow for me, and their Mega line is too wide for me. Shimano fits just right.
Sidi and Shimano are decent shoes. The lower end models have fewer straps and softer soles, so they're a little harder to fit comfortably and they lose a tiny bit of energy on the pedal stroke. More importantly, Sidi and Shimano fit differently from each other. I fit Shimano shoes but not Sidi... Sidis are too narrow for me, and their Mega line is too wide for me. Shimano fits just right.
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I prefer shimano over look because they offer a bit more support, wider platform.. if you are going for a lower end/softer soled/ shoe, this could be important. I used the keo sprints and the shimano 540's
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I would say that the size of the contact between your shoe and the bike are roughly the same between a Speedplay and a Shimano/Look. I ride the X2 but if you don't need that much float you could try the Zero.
If you get Speedplay, get the "coffee caps".
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+1 on coffee caps, for any system... or just don't walk in them.
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Caveat ... only the Zero (to my knowledge) is used by the Pros. But I think the Xs work well too.
Not to sure about the Light Action. I don't know how much "easier to release" you could make it than the Xs.
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i ride shimano r540 pedals and they are the best if you are budget conscious. can usually be had under 60 and its got a nice amount of adjustability. definitely check those out if you are on a budget.
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I just got Ultegras and so far it's a mixed bag for me. I'm used to Time ATACs so setting up the cleat was a bit different, and it sucks how fore-aft is not independent of foot angle or side-to-side.
I was (and still am a little bit) considering Speedplays but it sucks how much extra **** you have to buy besides the pedals/expensive cleats. I walk in my shoes a decent deal, so coffee shop covers would be mandatory, and the bearings for some odd reason require periodic grease gunning (why can't they be like ATACs and just have great seals to begin with?), so that's another $38 to spend. Say you can't get the cleat lined up as far back or forward as you want (a possibility for me because my SPD-SL cleats are pushed nearly all the way back), that's another $36 to spend on an extended base plate kit. Seems like a lot to put on top of an already expensive pedal just to save 100g and get some better cornering clearance and adjustable float.
As far as the small platform of Speedplays, a carbon sole would most likely negate any supposed loss of power.
I was (and still am a little bit) considering Speedplays but it sucks how much extra **** you have to buy besides the pedals/expensive cleats. I walk in my shoes a decent deal, so coffee shop covers would be mandatory, and the bearings for some odd reason require periodic grease gunning (why can't they be like ATACs and just have great seals to begin with?), so that's another $38 to spend. Say you can't get the cleat lined up as far back or forward as you want (a possibility for me because my SPD-SL cleats are pushed nearly all the way back), that's another $36 to spend on an extended base plate kit. Seems like a lot to put on top of an already expensive pedal just to save 100g and get some better cornering clearance and adjustable float.
As far as the small platform of Speedplays, a carbon sole would most likely negate any supposed loss of power.
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How come no one mentions Bebop pedals? I am exploring pedals too and see tthat Bebops seem essentially the same as speedplays, but less expensive and need less attention regarding maintenance.
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The cleat is the contact area for any pedal system as it pushes against the pedal.
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If you're happy with Look/Shimano pedals and on a budget, may as well get some of the high-quality knockoffs like the Performance CR150 for $40, which use standard Look cleats, or the lighter, higher-zoot Performance Forté Carbon for $80. I have used the former a lot and like 'em a lot, haven't used the latter. They're basically identical to the Looks in form and function.
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Look: Larger platform, limited float, a little tricky to set cleats, easy maintenance, fits any budget, and rotates to the same position for ease of clipping in.
Shimano: Same features as Look.
Speedplay: Smaller platform, much more float*, easy to set cleats, finicky maintenance, only fits mid to high budgets, and double sided for ease of clipping in.
* Adjustable float if you get Zeros.
Shimano: Same features as Look.
Speedplay: Smaller platform, much more float*, easy to set cleats, finicky maintenance, only fits mid to high budgets, and double sided for ease of clipping in.
* Adjustable float if you get Zeros.
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I find Keo's very hard to clip into. I rode them for over a year and it never got better. Take a look at a group of cyclists at a stop light some time, and you will see a bunch of people fiddling around trying to clip in with cars lined up behind them.
Speedplay solves this problem. You just step down and you're clipped. The pedals DO NOT spin around crazily as another posted mentioned. At least mine don't.
Speedplay solves this problem. You just step down and you're clipped. The pedals DO NOT spin around crazily as another posted mentioned. At least mine don't.
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Only problem for me with the road pedals is that they're single sided, and can be a pain to clip in.
So I have been lusting for speedplays for a long time.
However, I'm on a pair of Look Keo Sprints, and quite happy with them. Give more road feel than the Shimano SPDs that I was using.
However, I'm still coping with the switch to single-sided pedals...
So I have been lusting for speedplays for a long time.
However, I'm on a pair of Look Keo Sprints, and quite happy with them. Give more road feel than the Shimano SPDs that I was using.
However, I'm still coping with the switch to single-sided pedals...