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Road Cycling It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle. -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 11-16-09, 12:58 PM   #1
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Why is Scattante CFR Sport Carbon Road Bike so cheap?

I recently wrecked my Giant OCR1 and I'm starting to look at a replacement. I was thinking about spending the extra cash for a carbon frame. This one seems really cheap compared to other carbon frames. Is it not a full carbon frame or something? Bad/cheap manufacturing?

Regular: $1,699.99
Sale: $1,149.00
Scattante CFR Sport Carbon Road Bike
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1_20000__61000

I'd also like to hear from people that have this bike. What type of riding do you do? Do you have any other bike or have you had another bike and how does it compare with the Scattante?

In my searching I read that a good aluminum frame is better than a cheap carbon frame? Anyone know if this is a cheap/poor frame on the CFR? I'm concerned about the components of the bike but my OCR1 has a full 105 setup and I'm hoping just the levers are damaged and the derailleurs are fine. The scattante has tiagra levers however, I think they're worse than 105 right? Or won't match? I'm even considering buying that bike and upgrading the components to full 105 since I've been really satisfied with the performance on my OCR1. I'm also considering a double or compact instead of the triple I had. I rarely used the 3rd ring on my current triple.

Its really tough to pass up for the price. I'd definitely like a lighter bike but I did love my OCR1. What other suggestions do you all have?
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Old 11-16-09, 01:03 PM   #2
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I have a few of their Alu frames, they are good quality.... I have seen the carbon bike up close... it's looks as good as the Fuji's they sell. The wheel are not that great, but they would make a nice winter set.
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As far as I can tell, it's cheap because they have to find people that are willing to put up with the large Scattante decal on their downtube. Plus its an end of the season sale, trying to get rid of the excess stock. Plus it has Tiagra components. I doubt it's any lighter than your OCR1.

That said, I ride the CFR Race (same frame, ultegra components), and I enjoy it. It's pretty much the same frame as a Pedal Force ZX3, if you want to read some other reviews on the frame.
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A few people in my club have this Scat CFR bike. Not the current Tiagra model but an older one with Ultegra components that cost a little more. The bike is a good deal for the money for a recreational cyclist. It is not real light, but it is more compliant than a low end aluminum bike. If you're a heavy guy or like sprinting, the stiffness may not be enough for you.

Tiagra is a significant step below 105 or Ultegra. Tiagra is still 9-speed, right? 10-speed stuff is quite a bit more expensive. You have to decide for yourself if the extra gear is worth the money.

The wheels on these bikes are not real great, but you can't expect that much at this price point.

And yes, you do have to live with SCAT painted all over your bike. Whose bright idea was that for a company name?
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Old 11-16-09, 02:33 PM   #5
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Have you walked into a Performance store? The one near me has Fuji bikes pretty cheap. Performance isn't allowed to sell Fujis on line. And if you do buy from Performance, make sure you join their club; 10% off of the bike and other stuff for a year.
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Same reason the generic brands are cheaper in the grocery store. Scattante is Performances store brand.
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+1 for last post, and also the re-sale value of Scattante is very low. But it makes a good carbon bike with upgraded Dura-Ace or Ultegra components ....and some neuvation wheels.
I found out about the re-sale value when I had trouble selling my 2-year rarely used Fuji Roubaix. Later, after purchasing the Specialized (3yr old bike), I was able to sell it the next day after I put it up for sale!
Scattante is a bike to keep, while paying more for other bikes justifies a high re-sale price.
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Old 11-16-09, 04:53 PM   #8
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.........no,the other brands might be priced too f'n high.
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I have a few of their Alu frames, they are good quality.... I have seen the carbon bike up close... it's looks as good as the Fuji's they sell. The wheel are not that great, but they would make a nice winter set.
Once again, think about the resale value.
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Old 11-23-09, 10:43 AM   #10
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Resale value of a a bicycle has never crossed my mind when Im trying to decide what to buy. I buy what I like. We have a Scattante XRL Comp frame. Its a nice frame and it was like we freak'n stole the thing when we bought it for only $199 when they were on sale a few years ago..
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Old 11-23-09, 10:45 AM   #11
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...........Scattante is a bike to keep, while paying more for other bikes justifies a high re-sale price.
imho thats crap

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I've got the CFR Comp, basically the same bike with 105/Ultegra mix. It's a solid bike and does nicely under my 230 pounds of solid muscle. Very comfortable on the road with very little flex that I can perceive. I replaced the seat and the carbon seatpost for an aluminum one. Rewrapped the bars and have just recently replaced the stock tires. Weight is not bad, I would guess that my 60cm frame is about 18 to 19 pounds.

That being said, I'll be covering up the logos with some black reflective tape. It's truly a terrible name.
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SCAT is the dumbest brand name ever for a product not related to toilets.
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Old 11-23-09, 12:40 PM   #14
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SCAT is the dumbest brand name ever for a product not related to toilets.
Come on, someone at Performance is laughing
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this imho is funnier
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Old 11-23-09, 01:08 PM   #16
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The frame is inexpensive because they didn't design or engineer it, they just import it with their sticker on it. It doesn't mean the frame is bad...

I've been to the factory where they are made. They are quality frames, I'm thinking of maybe importing them under my own brand. Performance probably gets a really good price on it, I bet they pay about $400 / frame + fork with their volume.
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The frame is inexpensive because they didn't design or engineer it, they just import it with their sticker on it. It doesn't mean the frame is bad...
Definitely doesn't mean the frame is bad. It's just like store-brand stuff. Some is just as good, some is just plain awful.

When you buy a bike from a major manufacturer, you're paying for their R&D, advertising, and the mark-up for the name on the tubes. Bike frames are not what you'd call commodities, in the technical sense (think about generic vs. national brand sugar) but there is a mark-up to take advantage of reputations that haven't necessarily been earned. They're just more visible, have been around longer, whatever. Just because you've heard of it doesn't mean it's better.

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You aren't paying the salaries of celebrity cyclists who ride their own custom bikes with their team supplier's decals slapped on.
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Have you looked at Neuvations FC100.
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Definitely doesn't mean the frame is bad. It's just like store-brand stuff. Some is just as good, some is just plain awful.

When you buy a bike from a major manufacturer, you're paying for their R&D, advertising, and the mark-up for the name on the tubes. Bike frames are not what you'd call commodities, in the technical sense (think about generic vs. national brand sugar) but there is a mark-up to take advantage of reputations that haven't necessarily been earned. They're just more visible, have been around longer, whatever. Just because you've heard of it doesn't mean it's better.

I KNOW. It definitely doesn't mean the frame is bad. It is probably in every way as good as all but the very top-tier of frames out there, competitive with frames that cost a LOT more. Look at my signature, I'm just getting into this business and doing the same thing Performance has done with the frameset, except with carbon wheels (and eventually other CF parts).
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Two primary reasons:

- Performance doesn't have to pay for the R&D on the bike (someone else already did that), meaning it costs less to buy, and
- Performance can afford to sell them for a lower profit margin because they are a volume seller.

With that said, it is probably good as 90% of the other carbon bikes out there.
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Performance probably gets a really good price on it, I bet they pay about $400 / frame + fork with their volume.
$400? Really? I would have guessed more like $40.
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$400? Really? I would have guessed more like $40.
You're an idiot.
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