Upgrading/downweihting is good if it makes you want to ride/train more. Take 20 a pound bike down to 17, rider is 150 lbs you can say the difference is less than 2%, not much difference, although it could help in a race with climbs, but mostly if the rider likes it and rides more, because the difference in weight (and cost investment) makes him/her feel like riding more, or cranking out more watts, he/she will become faster.
Definitely not 105 components, but as I mentioned before, you do not NEED 105 components, even to ride with top-class riders. The current-gen Sora/2200 components shift flawlessly for me.
I ride this bike entirely stock on the fast group roadie rides round here.
Cervelo P2C Dura-Ace 2008
I can attest to what others have said about it being the engine. I spent way more on my bike that I should have and it makes me feel stupid when a guy on a $50 mountain bike flys past me like I am standing still.
Just keep working on the engine.
Here's what I found: Ride more, lose weight - your current bike mysterioulsy gets faster. Nothing better than dropping people on bikes that cost more than the car I drive.
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I finished last summer on my Klein Quantum running 105 and Rolf Vector wheels I averaged a little over 17mph.
Expected a big improvement after a winter of spinning classes I started this summer on a new Cervelo Soloist running Ultegra and custom wheels and after my first handful of rides my average was only up to 18mph!
To me that suggests it's not about the bike?
That said my average a has now nudged up to a smidgen under 20mph
I can't believe nobody has said this yet:
A bike can't make YOU faster. Even if a bike can make you jump from B group to A group, YOU are still the same speed.
i never thought i would notice the different characteristics that much but recently i have been doing hill repeats everyday with 2 different bikes and the constant repetition has made the differences stand out a mile and initial impressions on the new bike were wrong. For some reason, one bike is a lot more nimble but doesn't climb as well as the less nimble one. That is odd isn't it?
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A bike can't make you any faster than your fitness allows, but it can slow you down...
Placebo effect might actually make you faster if you want to get out and ride more and feel faster. I feel better on my Allez than I did on my Giant, so I like to ride more, which makes me faster.
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According to Buycycling Magazine, you ought to have a $7000 and up carbon bike in order to see some improvements. In fact you should look into the Di2 series if you want to consider going faster. Ultegra/Dura Ace are still dependent on the $5 mfg cost for cables.
With $15,000 budget, you should see some nice gains. According to Buycycling Magazine of course. They have reviews for them fast bikes there.
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Even if you're using the same tire, a different size wheel can change the size of the tire. I know because a 28c tire that fit without rubbing the frame on my old wheel wouldn't fit without rubbing the frame on my new front wheel with the same tire and inflation pressure.
Very interesting reads.
I've been biking for a year now after suffering a couple of nasty femur breaks. I recently sold my dirtbike (which caused said breaks), and have around 3k to play with, and was looking at upgrading from a Trek 1.5 to a Madone 5 series. Now I'm not so sure that's very smart to do w/my money.
Any input? I plan to stick w/cycling and do a century this summer. Should I spend my money at all? Maybe just look at a 4-series?
P.S. love the sight.
To see how much one got out of a winter of spinning, get back on the old bike after a winter in the gym.
I have three different bikes and I need to "get used" to them when I get on a different bike (winter/summer).
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The only way to get faster is to have your jersey match your bike.
I'm doing crit races on a cross bike with canti brakes, still hunting down breaks and going for solos and prims, so I guess the bike doesnt do anything better, but the nice ones looksbetter when parked HAHA
My nice bike shames me into going faster... I've got voices in my head (and a power meter) that tell me I'm not worthy of my 'fast' carbon bike.
If my funds were more limited and I wanted to get stronger/faster as quickly as possible, I'd go with a cheap bike and a powertap long before spending money on a nicer bike. Of course you should get both if you have the means.