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    Ball of my big toe pain. Duck-footed, running, and clipless. Need help please.

    So I've always been duck-footed. I think the only time I'm not, is when I'm directly concentrating on it or when I used to sprint. I was never a long distance runner and did mostly sprints in my youth.

    Now that I'm older I concentrate on running longer and biking. I've been getting pain on the ball of my big toe which stretches up under my big toe. Almost feel like tendon pain, not just pounding sore type of pain.

    I have only usually noticed this when I run a longer distance than what I would typically. So, I have a few theories and maybe you guys can help:

    1. I'm visually doing this in my head, so bear with me. If I am duck-footed and using clipless pedals, could I be placing extra pressure on my ball by unknowingly allowing my heels to turn in? (Using Candys if it matters)

    2. Compared to what my legs used to look like, I'd say my calves are underdeveloped. My thighs have gotten fairly large. I think my pedal stroke is poor and thus my calves aren't getting utilized as much when I bike. Thus, when I run I don't have power on the toe push off, which is leaving my ball to just get pounded? Does that make sense?

    3. It is just that I'm not used to a distance and need to get stronger or used to the pounding on my foot.

    4. I should just HTFU.


    Should be noted I put the insoles I've always used (doesn't mean it's right) in my biking shoes and I felt an improvement over the way they did feel. I have not yet put those in my running shoes as it had not been an issue until a month ago.

    My dad said the local chain running store (pretty good place btw) gave him a pad to put in his shoe at that spot, which was supposed to spead out his foot?

    Any help is much appreciated, after my last charity run I was limping for 5 days.

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    If by duck-footed, you mean your feet splay outwards, then I am in a similar situation (made worse by a couple of sports injuries to my knees). I havent had the specific problems that you have had, but 3 things really helped:

    1/ Switching to Speedplay pedals - no knee pain, ever, since then

    2/ Adding some Bike Fit wedges under the cleats with the thicker edge on the insides. This counteracts my foot's tendency to roll inwards when my feet are straight and pushing down. In fact, with the wedges, I feel myself needing less and less float - am going to reduce the float on my Zeros later today, actually.

    3/ Moving my pedals a little further backwards

    Between the 3 things above, pretty much put all knee-related problems have come to an end.

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    Duplicate your walking/running stance on your bike. That's what I did, and while I am still working out a few issues with the right knee, I am no longer a cripple after every ride.

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    Pain is after I run, I'm just thinking my poor biking is contributing.

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    Sounds like Turf Toe. The injury is a sprain of the great toe joint capsule. Graded as to severity 1-3 with 3 the worst. 1 is the most common and least serious. Usually responds well to Naprosyn or ibuprophen, ice and immobilization. Turf toe is very painful and you should be assessed by an ortho guy or a sports med MD. Lp
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    Pro fit. It'll probably hurt for a little while but your poor leg position will turn into a bottleneck in the future.

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    I had a similar pain that started to show up during longer (15-18 mile) marathon training runs (ran last Saturday in 3:51!). I switched to parallel lacing on my shoes and pain went away immediately, never came back. Go to Runnersworld.com and search for lacing techniques. Also, if you've got more than 400 miles on those running shoes, that could be the culprit. And make sure that you are not a forefoot striker! You can cause stress fractures if you are landing too hard on the balls of your feet. Focus on mid-foot strike with a faster & shorter turnover to reduce the impact.

    When I was setting up my bike shoe cleats, I sat on a table and let my legs dangle. I then set up my cleats to allow my feet to ride in the position they were hanging at when I was sitting on the table. Completely fixed my knee tendonitis.

    But my bet is that your pain is due to running. Try the alternative lacing to take pressure off your feet. You might be surprised how much pain that can cause!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daddystheman View Post
    I had a similar pain that started to show up during longer (15-18 mile) marathon training runs (ran last Saturday in 3:51!). I switched to parallel lacing on my shoes and pain went away immediately, never came back. Go to Runnersworld.com and search for lacing techniques. Also, if you've got more than 400 miles on those running shoes, that could be the culprit. And make sure that you are not a forefoot striker! You can cause stress fractures if you are landing too hard on the balls of your feet. Focus on mid-foot strike with a faster & shorter turnover to reduce the impact.

    When I was setting up my bike shoe cleats, I sat on a table and let my legs dangle. I then set up my cleats to allow my feet to ride in the position they were hanging at when I was sitting on the table. Completely fixed my knee tendonitis.

    But my bet is that your pain is due to running. Try the alternative lacing to take pressure off your feet. You might be surprised how much pain that can cause!
    I will look into this, thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by daddystheman View Post
    And make sure that you are not a forefoot striker! You can cause stress fractures if you are landing too hard on the balls of your feet. Focus on mid-foot strike with a faster & shorter turnover to reduce the impact.
    Quote Originally Posted by JFlurett View Post
    I think the only time I'm not, is when I'm directly concentrating on it or when I used to sprint. I was never a long distance runner and did mostly sprints in my youth.
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