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    Looking to buy a new road bike- input sought

    Hi all,

    I'm contemplating purchasing a new road bike- specifically for going on group rides. I recently bought a Jamis Aurora Elite, and I love it- and it's great for commuting on to and from work, cause I can put a lot of stuff in my panniers, and go up hills into the wind- but it's less than ideal as a group ride bike. The gearing isn't ideal, the wheels aren't ideal, and the geometry isn't ideal. And since I can probably afford to swing it, I've decided to take a look at some road bikes for group rides, and maybe next year do some racing.

    I've gone out and done a bunch of test rides on the following bikes, and the price points I can get them for, but I'm going to add them to the list in the order I rode them in.

    2010 Specialized Allez Elite $1200
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    This is the first true road bike I've ever ridden, and I'd expected it to be a bit 'buzzy' feeling, and maybe a bit twitchy. I'd previously tried out a Trek Portland (aluminum frame + carbon forks), and I didn't love the ride- so I was a bit concerned that I'd find a full aluminum frame uncomfortable- but I was wrong. The ride was pretty good- the geometry was quite comfortable, and it was really light. It really did feel like a rocket compared to my Jamis Aurora Elite, and it was a lot of fun. It definitely felt more agile, but not at all twitchy.


    2008 Giant TCR C3 - $1400
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    After trying out the Specialized, the guy at the shop brought out this bike for me to try, and boy was it smooth compared to the Allez Elite, or even my Jamis Aurora Elite. Despite the fact that it was only the second non-touring road bike I've ridden, I thought I was falling in love with it. It was heavily discounted, cause they've had it for two years and it hasn't moved yet. It's full 105, except for the brakes which are Tektro. Plus, they'll throw in two years of free tune ups- which seems awesome- except that I'll probably be moving to Colorado Springs, CO, or Oxford, UK next summer. And, I really liked this store. The sales guy was really easy to talk to, and I felt he gave me advice about stuff, rather than just trying to sell me things.

    2010 Cannondale CAAD9-5- $1400
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    I went into the store looking for a CAAD9-4, but they didn't have it, so I tried the 9-5. It's the same frame, just 105 versus Rival group. Mainly, I wanted to try it for the SRAM components, but I was pretty pleasantly surprised by this bike. The frame was too big (60 cm), which made it difficult to get a really good feel for it, but I was surprised at how comfortable it actually was- again, I expected it to feel buzzy, but it didn't. Full 105, except for Tektro breaks, and FSA Gossamer cranks.

    2010 Specialized Allez Elite - $1200
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    I wanted to try the Cannondale and the Allez back to back, so that I'd feel like I had a better comparison between the Cannondale, the Allez, and the Giant, since the first store had both the Giant TCR C3 and the Allez, and the second store had the Allez and the Cannondale. To be honest, I'm not sure I could easily notice a difference between the Allez Elite and the Cannondale 9-5. I had been hoping the store had the Allez comp in stock, but they didn't. Full 105, except for Crank (off series Shimano) and Tektro breaks. I'm not sure why the Allez Elite is so much less expensive than the Cannondale CAAD9-5. To be sure, the Allez Elite seems like the better value here, but there may be things I'm overlooking.

    2010 Cannondale Six5 Carbon
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    I wasn't seriously interested in this bike, I just wanted to try another full carbon bike for comparison purposes to the Giant TCR C3. This bike didn't really feel much different from the Allez Elite or the Cannondale CAAD9-5 to me- certainly not enough to warrant (for me) the increase in price versus the CAAD9-5.

    2009 Orbea Onix- $1900
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    Underwhelmed, to say the least. Maybe that's a good thing? Maybe it felt boring because it did everything so well? I don't know. Full 105, except brakes and cranks. This bike did not scream 'buy me'. It said 'Hi', and that's about it. I won't be buying this bike.


    Trek 2.3 - $1500
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    This bike was okay. It didn't wow me, and it didn't disappoint me, it was just- okay. Better than the Orbea Onix, cause it's a lot cheaper, but that's about all I could say about it. It's hard to say if it was more comfortable than the Specialized- certainly, I don't think I liked the geometry as much- but that's hard to say too- cause I think the saddle on the Specialized and on the Giant at the first store were better than stock, which may be why I liked those so much? I don't think I'd buy this bike over the Specialized Allez Elite. I think if I hadn't tried out a bunch of other bikes, I probably would've felt really good about it, but possibly because I'd tried a bunch of others, it was just- okay.

    Kestral Talon - $1700
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    TThe Kestral Talon gave me, I feel, a better appreciation of carbon framed bikes. Maybe it was because of what I'd been on previously, or maybe it was the roads on that area weren't as new and smooth- but I could notice the difference of carbon here more than with the Cannondale Six5. The more bikes I rode, the more I became somewhat suspicious of how comfortable the Giant TCR C3 felt. I don't know what it is- the TCR C3 had 23 mm wheels on it, but it just felt so plush, and maybe too compliant? I felt I had a better understanding of what people mean when they say a bike's frame is really stiff after riding this, and comparing it to the Giant TCR C3 (which I test rode again, shortly before this bike). Am I imagining this? Full 105, including brakes.

    2009 Fuji Team Pro - $2000, including pedals and shoes.
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    The bike that has this store, is the same bike I bought my first bike (in years) from last June, and it is the same bike I just bought my Jamis Aurora Elite from. I went in to try some of the aluminum Jamis road bikes, which oddly enough I never got on. Instead they put me on the Kestral, and this. When I was tlaking to them, I said $2000 would be my absolutely upper end, and not a penny more price limit- and that'd have to include pedals and shoes. Since I'd bought two other bikes before, and I've bought some bottles, some cages, had a few repairs there, they called the store owner up (whom I've met before and knows me by first name apparently), and said that they could do this bike- for $2000- including taxes, with pedals and shoes.

    This seems like a screamer of a deal to me. It's full ultegra- from cranks, to brakes, to everything. I was amazed actually at how big a difference the full ultegra versus 105 made in terms of crispness in shifting- and the braking power. My only real concern here is that it's a full double (53/39) versus a compact double (50/34), and I'm a bit worried I'll have trouble on hills at 39/27, but that's also a good reason to just toughen up, and get stronger legs.

    This bike felt really good, and for the price I felt it should. In general, I'm very happy with this store, and their desire to work with me. And I think that they're responding to the fact that I've kept coming back to them, even when things weren't perfect, to try and get stuff worked out- even if it meant spending a bit more money. This bike store has also seen me enough know to notice that I've lost about 15-20 pounds since I started riding, and I've told them bike riding is what's caused the weight loss. I really like this bike- the biggest issue is sticker shock, when I go and try to talk about this with my wife.

    Final option
    2006- Specialized Allez Pro- $1500 + shipping from my friend.
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    I haven't test rode this bike, because it's in Vancouver, and I'm not. But this guy is a very good friend of mine, and I trust him implicitly. This was one of the reasons I wanted to go out and try specialized bikes in the first place, to get an idea of the geometry and frame sizing. HIs bike is a 58 cm, and a 58 cm seems like exactly the right size. 56 is too small, and 60 is too big. It's a full ultegra build including cranks and brakes, because he bought the frame and built it up himself. And it is including Ultegra pedals.


    Given my experiences thus far, I'm tending to lean towards one of three options.

    1. 2010 Specialized Allez Elite. I wanted to try out the Allez Comp, cause of the carbon chainstays and forks, but I couldn't- and I think I'd be pretty happy on this bike, at least for a while. Though I think in a few years, I might start to suffer from that terrible affliction known as upgrade-itis. It's definitely not as nice as some of the pricer bikes I tried, but it would also do a much better job of group riding today than my current bike does- and this is the least expensive option, with pretty reasonable components on it. If the Trek 2.3 was a bit cheaper- even $1350 or $1400, it would probably move into this slot, since it did ride a bit nicer- but I also sort of feel if I'm trying to optimize for the least expensive bike that'd meet my current desires, then that's the Allez Elite.

    2. 2006 Specialized Allez Pro. While this bike remains without me taking it out for a spin, it does seem like a really good deal to me. I really am happy with the Specialized geometry, and I like the full ultegra build. Since I will be moving in less than a year, the fact that I won't be buying a bike directly from an LBS that I can take it back to for a free tune up (or a few) is less of an issue for me, since as soon as I move, I'll loose that anyway. Plus, I could probably talk him into it being $1500 including shipping, which makes it a pretty reasonable price, imho- especially since he'll also throw in a Polar CS200 cycling computer and heart rate monitor.

    3. 2009 Fuji Team Pro. This bike seems like a pretty good deal, including pedals and shoes. This seems like a bike I'd probably be satisfied wioth for a lot longer than option #1, but probably not than option #2. I've seen other used Team Pro's on eBay for about $1400 on the buy now- so maybe in retrospect this isn't such a screaming deal? I don't know.

    okay, if you've made it this long- then thank you (and congratulations). I'd be happy to hear your input.

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    OK these are all reasonable choices. Pick the one that fits you best.

    Of course, this being BF the consensus is to get the CAAD9.

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    That Fuji is an amazing looking bike. Personally, I would suggest that you go with the Fuji.

    However, if going to $2k really isn't an option, then I would definitely get the CAAD9-5. This bike has what is considered the best aluminum frame on the market, and it is much better than cheaper carbon frames.

    By any chance, have you looked at Felts? The F5 is around your price range, and it is an amazing bike for the price.
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    Get yhe fuji !! . I am a fan of fuji bikes i think my next bike will be fuji roubaix with sram rival , well good luck

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    BF says you would be an idiot not to get the CAAD 9

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    If you are still considering the Kestral Talon ... you can get a better deal online.

    SRAM Rival, 20 Speed Kestrel Evoke SL Carbon Road $1695
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    I'd stay away from used and/or on-line bikes until you have more experience.
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    to the OP, i was literally in the same boat as you about 1 week ago. i had it narrowed down to the allez and caad9.

    what swayed me was that the 2011 Allez Comp had just come out. it has a completely redesigned frame and comes complete with the sram apex groupset (which seems to be getting rave reviews).

    i was able to get one for $1250 out the door. i pick it up this wednesday or thursday.

    but as mentioned earlier in this thread, it seems that all of these are fine choices. good luck!

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    meant to add that i would definitely be sure to check out the new allez e5 frame (on the '11 comp) before making a decision. i'm surprised your specialized dealer didnt have one in yet?

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    Based on your write up, I'd choose the 2010 Specialized Allez Elite.

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    Orbea Onix. without a doubt. Orbea's craftmanship is phenomonal. It'll treat you really well

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    Have you taken out the Fuji for a spin? Out of all those, $2000 including pedals and shoes and tax makes it a nice deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhdavis1978 View Post

    2008 Giant TCR C3 - $1400
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    After trying out the Specialized, the guy at the shop brought out this bike for me to try, and boy was it smooth compared to the Allez Elite, or even my Jamis Aurora Elite. Despite the fact that it was only the second non-touring road bike I've ridden, I thought I was falling in love with it. It was heavily discounted, cause they've had it for two years and it hasn't moved yet. It's full 105, except for the brakes which are Tektro. Plus, they'll throw in two years of free tune ups- which seems awesome- except that I'll probably be moving to Colorado Springs, CO, or Oxford, UK next summer. And, I really liked this store. The sales guy was really easy to talk to, and I felt he gave me advice about stuff, rather than just trying to sell me things.
    I vote for this one because of the store and salesman. I am very big on local shops that give good service and work for the benefit of the customer, not just for the benefit of the current sale.

    Now, given your pending move, I'd ask them for the bike for maybe $1300 with just one free tune up prior to your moving away with the bike rather than 2 years worth. Good luck with your decision.
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    The Allez "Double Steel" (with good ol' reliable DT shifters!) is my personal favorite, but then again I'm "old school" and prefer durable lightweight steel to more easily damaged (based on numerous posts on BF) carbon fiber . . .
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    I just did the same thing you are going through. I ended up getting the 2010 allez elite on Saturday. It was the right bike for me. Good luck, they are all good bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocc_cat View Post
    The Allez "Double Steel" (with good ol' reliable DT shifters!) is my personal favorite, but then again I'm "old school" and prefer durable lightweight steel to more easily damaged (based on numerous posts on BF) carbon fiber . . .
    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...45678&eid=4350
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    Given the choice, I'd take the Giant. It had the WOW factor you want for that kind of money.
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    After reading all your mini reviews it sounded to me like it was between the Giant and the Kestrel. My first thought it the Giant, but considering you are not buying your first bike, I feel like your in this for the long haul. That in mind maybe the Kestrel is the right choice. To me it would be between those two. Better components, or save the money?? Thats the real choice. If your gonna be riding alot Id go carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdays View Post
    That Fuji is an amazing looking bike. Personally, I would suggest that you go with the Fuji.

    However, if going to $2k really isn't an option, then I would definitely get the CAAD9-5. This bike has what is considered the best aluminum frame on the market, and it is much better than cheaper carbon frames.
    Yeah, I thought the fuji was an amazing bike too, and a hell of a deal. The $2k is an option, if my wife allows it to be. My parents are really happy that I've found a sport that I'm really interested in, and they've said they're willing to consider this a graduation present for my PhD, which is nice. My wife probably won't like that, and will probably have an issue with buying a second bike in less than two months. She won't understand what a new road bike can do, that my other bike can't (and to a certain extent, she has a point), and I think she'll just have some internal resistance to it that she probably doesn't even understand herself. But then again, she'll have the same resistance to a $1200 bike, so that's not really a big difference.

    I would counter any of the arguments she might make by saying- I've lost 15-20 lbs in 6 months, and that's the most weight I've lost in 3 years (I'm 220, and I was 235-240 back in March), I'd point out that it's making me healthier (I'm not asking for a new computer or console to play games on), that it's basically a durable good- other than tune ups, it'll basically be as useful to me the day I bring it home from the store, as it will five years later. Many of my friends (and many of her friend's husbands and boyfriends) have blown more than that amount of money on a weekend in Vegas, and I'd never do that- I don't even have the interest. But who knows if it'll work. I"m not even sure it's worth trying- but sometimes it's fun to dream, no?


    By any chance, have you looked at Felts? The F5 is around your price range, and it is an amazing bike for the price.
    No, I haven't actually. That's a good suggestion. One of the stores I went to today had one (where I tried the Trek 2.3), but when I asked about other similar bikes, they sort of seemed disinterested. I don't know why- but that kind of turned me off. Maybe it's cause I test rode a 520 they had three months ago, called back to ask a few questions about it, but never pulled the trigger on it (I don't like bar end shifters- it's just weird).

    Quote Originally Posted by vw addict View Post
    BF says you would be an idiot not to get the CAAD 9
    I think the CAAD9-5 is a really good value, actually- I just think the Specialized Allez Elite is a slightly better value. I wouldn't go to the CAAD9-4, at least not at MSRP, cause at that point I'm too close to the price of a reasonable carbon bike.

    And at the same time, I probably am an idiot, which probably precludes me from getting a CAAD9, because that would just weaken BF's argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by FlatSix911 View Post
    If you are still considering the Kestral Talon ... you can get a better deal online.

    SRAM Rival, 20 Speed Kestrel Evoke SL Carbon Road $1695
    Kestrel Carbon Bar, Profile Carbon Stem/Seatpost, Mavic Wheels
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...voke_sl_09.htm
    It was the Talon Road 105- definitely not that bike. The Talon at the LBS was also on at a really good price, actually. They were asking $1700 for it, but I'd also be buying from a store I've purchased three other bikes from (my first bike- a comfort bike, my wife's bike, and my current commuter), so I could probably get them to throw some more stuff in- and I like that store. In this case, the savings wouldn't be worth losing good support from that LBS. But in general, I think BikesDirect.com has really good prices.

    Quote Originally Posted by ciocc_cat View Post
    I'd stay away from used and/or on-line bikes until you have more experience.
    The only used bike I'm considering is one a really good friend of mine from grad school built up himself, for his brother, and he said has more than 500 kilometers on it, but well less than 1000. I'm not sure what the possible risks here might be- are you just concerned about the fit? The geometry of the frame he's selling is nearly identical to the Allez Elite I tried out, so that doesn't overly concern me.

    Quote Originally Posted by canerino View Post
    meant to add that i would definitely be sure to check out the new allez e5 frame (on the '11 comp) before making a decision. i'm surprised your specialized dealer didnt have one in yet?
    I was surprised too. I went to two Specialized dealers- neither had them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDB View Post
    I vote for this one because of the store and salesman. I am very big on local shops that give good service and work for the benefit of the customer, not just for the benefit of the current sale.

    Now, given your pending move, I'd ask them for the bike for maybe $1300 with just one free tune up prior to your moving away with the bike rather than 2 years worth. Good luck with your decision.
    That's a good suggestion actually, and yes- I think it's important to support local shops that give good service. If I didn't already really like the local bike store I bought my other bikes from, and they didn't have some other bikes I was strongly considering- than that alone would put this over the top, but I do have a history with the other bike store that is selling the Fuji and the Kestral, and I'm very happy with them- so that sort of becomes a toss up. Plus, the Fuji/Kestral LBS is really close to my house- I can easily do group rides with them, ride the bike over for service, etc. This other place is a good 7 miles away from my place, which would make it harder to use them for quick and easy adjustments, and group rides, etc. But I completely agree with your sentiment.

    Quote Originally Posted by ciocc_cat View Post
    The Allez "Double Steel" (with good ol' reliable DT shifters!) is my personal favorite, but then again I'm "old school" and prefer durable lightweight steel to more easily damaged (based on numerous posts on BF) carbon fiber . . .
    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...45678&eid=4350
    Ehh, I've got to be honest- and if I had a bike crash severe enough to damage the frame enough that it'd need to be welded to be repaired, then I think I'd probably be contemplating a different frame at that point. It'd totally screw up the paint job and finish (which are arguably, not the most important thing), and I'd wonder if there were less than visible fractures elsewhere. So at that point, I'd probably be considering a new frame anyway. About the only instance where I can imagine having a steel frame having far superior attributes for repairability, would be if there is a complete economic collapse- something on par with the 1870 depression, in which case having an easily repaired bike frame would be a major asset. But I'm going to be honest, I'm a big wuss, and if that happens, my neighbors are probably going to come, kill me, and eat me. (okay, maybe that was a bit of hyperbole, but I'll leave it to you to figure out where).

    Quote Originally Posted by dss8653 View Post
    I just did the same thing you are going through. I ended up getting the 2010 allez elite on Saturday. It was the right bike for me. Good luck, they are all good bikes.
    Yeah, they are- and that's actually what's making this so difficult. I'd be pretty happy on all of them. Really, a it seems to come down to two questions:

    carbon or aluminum?
    105 or ultegra?

    ultegra does shift *soo* much nicer than 105- maybe that bike was just tuned better than the other 105s, maybe not- but it was so much crisper. But the 105 is much nicer than the Tiagra I have as a front derailer on my current bike, by a long shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by dahut View Post
    Given the choice, I'd take the Giant. It had the WOW factor you want for that kind of money.
    Yeah- I think I need to test ride that bike again- take it for a longer ride maybe. My only rational (??) concern is that the bike felt a bit too flexy or compliant, or insufficiently stiff- or something- compared to all the other bikes. Or maybe, it I'm just being insane and it's the perfect bike for me? I don't know. It's not like it's out of the question that I'd be overly neurotic about something like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigSean View Post
    After reading all your mini reviews it sounded to me like it was between the Giant and the Kestrel. My first thought it the Giant, but considering you are not buying your first bike, I feel like your in this for the long haul. That in mind maybe the Kestrel is the right choice. To me it would be between those two. Better components, or save the money?? Thats the real choice. If your gonna be riding alot Id go carbon.
    I sort of feel, that if I am going to spend the money on the Kestral - at $1700, I should get the Fuji. The Kestral doesn't include pedals or shoes. That's gonna add another $200- and then there's tax. That's gonna take me up to $2000. The Fuji Team Pro- is pedals, shoes, and cleats for $2000. It's just a totally ridiculous price. And it's fully ultegra- yes, it's 6600- but the Kestral is 5600.

    It's funny to me, that no one has mentioned the Trek 2.3 much. Really, the only good thing about the 2.3 was that it was a triple, rather than a compact or a double. And I'm not sure that's an issue worth worrying about. I'll just build stronger muscles

    I think I've further narrowed it down to either the Specialized Allez Pro from my friend, or the Fuji Team Pro. The rest of them are a pretty good price, but I could probably find them at a pretty good price anytime. Maybe they'd be $100 or $150 more but not so much more that it makes this a somewhat pressing issue. The Fuji Team Pro definitely has that (since it's a store selling it), and my friends Specialized Allez Pro a bit too. Also, from that perspective- the Giant TCR C3 is a super good price, so maybe I'd put that back onto my short list.

    Has anyone spent much time on the TCR C3 frame who could talk some sense into me about my concerns re: flexy and compliance?

    Cheers people,
    Brad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperturbable Ryuu Ichigo View Post
    I would save till 2K and get a 4.5 Madone. But thats me.
    I tested out a Madone 4.7, and it was okay- but it didn't make me wish I had the money to spend on it. I found it rather underwhelming.

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    Here is a little info on the TCR, may wanna ask more about it there.
    http://www.roadbikereview.com/cat/la...x.aspx#reviews

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    Quote Originally Posted by zstjohn View Post
    Orbea Onix. without a doubt. Orbea's craftmanship is phenomonal. It'll treat you really well
    Yeah, I dunno. That bike definitely was not worth $1900 to me. Maybe they had me on a frame that was too small, I don't know, but it just didn't jive with me. Maybe this'll be a decision I live to regret someday- but that bike wasn't worth $1900 to me. And I really wanted to like it, but I was just like- meh. Maybe it's just cause it did everything so well in terms of the frame, that I couldn't see the forest for the trees. I'd accept that as a possible argument. Maybe it's because the other bikes I tried out were in neighborhoods with much better roads, so I don't have a fair comparison- I'd buy that too. But as it stands, I couldn't justify spending $1900 on that bike. To me, that bike is worth maybe $1500. Why do you like the Orbea so much? What am I missing?



    Quote Originally Posted by gus6464 View Post
    Have you taken out the Fuji for a spin? Out of all those, $2000 including pedals and shoes and tax makes it a nice deal.
    Yeah, it was nice- it and the Kestral were the two nicest bikes that I rode. What put the Fuji over the edge, for me- was the full ultegra. Maybe the kestral felt a bit stiffer- but that's hard to say. If it did, it wasn't huge. I really liked the geometry of both of them- very aggressive. With the Fuji, I'd probably need to get a shorter stem, cause the reach was maybe a smidge too long- but it had a 140 mm stem on it- so I'd probably take it down to 110.

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    Lots of words. It's a bike. Get the one that makes you feel funny inside. Period. The rest is a waste.

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