kimconyc

Maybe it's too early to ask but has anyone played around with 2011 Campagnolo groupset(s)?

Supposedly they shift better than 2010 Campagnolo amongst other benefits like more multiple gear changes with one sweep in either direction like the 10 speed Campagnolo groupsets (don't really care as much about the weight savings) but is it all marketing talk or are there really substantial differences in the "Revolution 11 Shifting"?

https://velonews.competitor.com/2010/...cord-11_130017


Background:
I am a SRAM guy; all my bikes have SRAM with the exception of a Shimano crank on one bike. However, I plan on building a bike up and SRAM is out for reasons that are on a need to know basis.

Voting Part:
If you were to build up a bike, what groupset would YOU choose based on functionality and price only (other stuff like weight, looks, personal feelings, are not included in the poll):






Discuss below...

Fox Farm

Buy Campy and cry once.

kimconyc

Which Campy? The 2011 SR is $800 more than the 2010 SR; I might as well just get Di2 even though I am more of a traditionalist than gadget geek.

Nachoman

I picked campy 2011 super record because it was the most expensive. If you got the buck, why not?

ADSR

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the only functional differences between the 11-speed Campy carbon groups (Record, SR, Chorus) was weight. Personally I'm broke, so I'd be going with something like Centaur.

kimconyc

Lol, you bike weenie you!

If you click on the link in the OP, it explains the differences. Also read about it here https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/...is-autumn.html .
The chainrings on the 2011 Campy are different from 2010 with more shift zones for faster shifting, revised cable routing on the shifters. I don't really care about the other differences.

What I am wondering is has anyone compared 2010 to 2011 Campy? Is there really a shifting difference that is worth $800 in the SR groupset?

Otherwise, I am debating between 2010 SR (and try to cheap out if I can get Chorus crank, chain, cassette) or something like a mixed groupset of DA 7900 /w 6700 shifters and Zero Gravity Negative G Ti brakes.

kimconyc

That new Shimano 105 5700 is pretty sweet too, well at least when I played around with it. I actually like Shimano's lower groupsets more than Dura-Ace.

leooooo

Just get 2010 SR, I paid 2000 at start of this year, so you have yourself a fine deal.

The multiple shifts with one motion is the Ultra-Shift, which is available from Athena 11 through Super Record 11 for pre-2011 models.

From my understanding, the 2011 models also do this but only from Chorus through SuperRecord. Athena only has 1 shift. I guess the reason is to make it cheaper to duke it out with Rival/105 in the sales department.

FlashBazbo

If price is part of the equation (and it is), you can't really justify anything more expensive than Ultegra 6700. There's only a 2-gear sweep but, in every other way, it is equal to or better than all the other choices when it comes to shift quality.

For bling, I would be all over the Campy products. For function/cost, it's Ultegra 6700 (not Dura Ace 7900). (For the record, I'm a Dura Ace Di2 user who lusts after Campy and has used 6700. I still use the 6700 crankset and brakes with my Di2 -- because I think they're better than the 7900 units.)

dgasmd

I have 2010 SR 11 speed in one bike for 1+ year. I also have 2009 Record 10 Speed in another bike for 2.5+ years. Quite frankly, I feel the shifting in my 10 speed to be more plush and softer than the 11 speed, but by very little. If I was to start from scratch and had the choice of SR between 2010 and 2011, which I guess is what you are asking, I would go with the 2011. I would, however, wait until mid year next year if possible to get a price break. Cost not being an issue, just get it now and be done with it.

kayakdiver

I have to say.... After my limited time with my 6700 group my my new TCR SL I love this group! Pure sweetness.

tuxbailey

I dig the colors (yes the color) of the 2011 SR...but I don't think I can ever convince myself to spend $2,400 on a groupset when my entire Merlin with Chorus 10 sp cost less than that.

jjgli02

If you're not worried about looking good or about having the newest components, I would definitely go with Ultegra 6600 over all of the other options. Shimano perfected the shifting in 6600/7800. The new internal cable routing screwed a bit with the precise shifting (think you can jump less cogs at once, as well). With this setup, you can afford to send a bunch of cash toward another seemingly more important bike purchase.

DaveSSS 

The 2011 11 speed shifters have a more distinct click - not a big deal. The SR shifters have one minor part made of Ti - not worth the extra cost. The shifter function has NOT changed - you can still shift 3-cogs larger and up to 5 cogs smaller with one sweep of the finger lever or thumb button.

The chainrings are improved. The 2009 11 speed cranks I have work fine. One of then major items that jacks the SR crank price sky high is the Ti spindle. You're paying big bucks to save a few grams. Those expensive Ti cogs cost about 3 times as much as Chorus steel and last half as long, at best.

I money is an issue, Chorus is steel the best buy. The whole group can be had for $1200 or less. 2011 SR is not priced $800 higher than 2010. Here's a link to the SR group for $1900. With the Ti spindled crank, it's $2035.
https://www.shinybikes.com/bike/Groupsets/

hao

I voted for the Ultegra...cuz I'm a cheapskate. Also there are so many light frames nowdays, you don't need a top groupset to have a light bike.

Creakyknees

I can't live without the multi-gear sweep of my 10 speed Record (2002 model year). My cynical view is, they save that feature for the higher cost groups simply to encourage people to pay more. My '02 era Centaur has it (and still works great, thanks).

I have zero interest in 11 speed.

DaveSSS 

Anyone wanting 10 speed Campy shifters with the ability to make multiple shifts to smaller cogs should buy 2010 Centaur or Veloce before the supplies are gone.

Creakyknees

or, since it's Campy, just buy the internals.

mmmdonuts

If Campy SR is the top of their heap then how much better could it possibly get from 2010 to 2011? The function is the same and the number of cogs is the same. Very minor changes only add up to big differences in "marketing speak" and price. Go with 2010 Campy Record, even cheaper and nearly identical to SR.

JoelS

None of the above. If I could afford it, I'd get Campy Record, 2011. I have 2 complete 2010 Campy Chorus groups. Both are 11 sp. I like them a lot.

AngryScientist 

its not an option, but i vote record-11, forget SR, you're paying for show, not go on that one.

and out with the sram disclosure, we need to know.

lukasz

Do you really want to deal with maintaining both SRAM and Campy groups? No wheel interchangeability, a few slightly different installation procedures, new quirks to learn about. I ride Campy, but in this case it makes no sense. Unless, for some reason, you want to complicate your cycling life a bit.

According to your criteria, I'd choose 2010 SR.

kimconyc

In talks for a Ti bike with S+S couplers--workhorse bike for every-day riding and plan on doing regular travel with this bike (2+ times a year). When I was in Italy, there was no such thing as SRAM (Maybe it only exists in the bike shops in big cities like Milan or Rome).

Really, it's just an excuse to get another bike, lol.

I was leaning towards Campagnolo simply because I have never used it but it was prevalent in Italy; plus, it's Campagnolo. However, I actually rode around on a bike with 2010 SR 11 and really didn't think the shifting was anything special albeit the brake actuation was fantastic, as were the ergonomics and aesthetic design.

I've always been function over form, however.

Cost is secondary but has to be "relatively" reasonable (why I don't ride Di2).

That's why I wanted to see if there really was an improvement in the 2011 higher groupsets (Chorus on up)--if it was as big of an improvement as SRAM's Zero-Loss on the FD, I would go for 2011 Campagnolo.

Thanks for recommending the 2011 Record-11! I actually looked into it and I can actually get it for the same price I listed as 2010 SR-11; plus it supposedly has the new shifting benefits and is the same weight as the 2010 SR-11.

So now I'm debating between 6700 or 2011 Record-11...

kimconyc

Yes. I love working on all my bikes. It's what keeps me sane. True story.

lukasz

If you want to stay sane, you may want to stay away from Campy My vote changes to 2011 Record based on your new criteria.