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    The Best Steel

    Thought I'd start by asking a the experts!

    I've been rididng a beautiful tommasini Sintesi for almost 10 years and unfortunatly it lost a head on battle with an open car door. My wife has given me permission to upgrade and my first thought was to buy another Sintesi. Then one of the OCLV guys in my group showed up with a Steelman--and loves it so much he's ditching his Trek for only bad weather rides--It doesn't quite fit me but the quick parking lot ride I took on it was impressive.

    So given the choice--What would you guys get--the Tommasini or the Steelman? And any other retro-grouches out there have any other high end steel they'd recomend??

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    I'll need to dust both of mine off and give them a good ride before I can you a definitive answer....tough choice.

    And very personal. Seems you are the one best qualified to answer the question, given your solid point of reference on the Sintesi. Will your friend allow you to take the Steelman for an extended ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jburnsdo

    And any other retro-grouches out there have any other high end steel they'd recomend??

    thanks,
    J

    http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...GW/bike_ch1825


    Any chance I get......... (Am i as bad as "Bianchi Rider"? )

    I recently bought a 2004 Cervelo Superprodigy, and it's FANTASTIC. It's one of these, but this one has slightly longer, custom chain-stays, most likely built for the cobbles in Europe.

    http://www.cervelo.com/bikes/SPG.html

    I researched this for a long time. I decided early on I wanted steel, and I bought this because of reputation/reviews, price, weight, looks, and the clincher for me was that the frames comes with a Columbus Muscle (full) carbon fork, Cervelo carbon seat post, and a Cane Creek S2 head-set.

    Most of all, it was probably the price. I think they are now selling in the U.S. for about $900, which is reasonable for a "brand name" bike made with Columbus Foco steel. Try getting anything else in Foco for that price.

    Seriously...if you want steel, stop looking, and GET ONE OF THESE!!

    (i'm such a geek )
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    Thanks for the response

    I'm kind of at a loss-the guy with the Steelman is a few inches shorter, and my old sintesi was actually a little too big so I'm screwed for comparison. I'd love to test ride both new but I don't think I'll be going to california or Italy soon.

    So what's your favorite bike overall, since you have both??? And if you've got to dust them off--have you found something you like better??

    that would mean a ton--thanks

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    THAT IS A SEXY SOULFULL LOOKING BIKE

    what made you dcide on that other than price?

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    Great Steel rides

    Serotta, the CIII could be one of the best buys going (if you don't mind
    non lugged steel frames) I have a Serotta and am VERY biased.
    Dave Kirk (getting very popular might be long wait).
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    Richard Sachs (figure 1 1/2 to 2 year wait)
    Pegoretti

    I've always liked Tommasini, thought they were the "cadillac of bikes" you know plush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    Any chance I get......... (Am i as bad as "Bianchi Rider"? )

    I recently bought a 2004 Cervelo Superprodigy, and it's FANTASTIC. It's one of these, but this one has slightly longer, custom chain-stays, most likely built for the cobbles in Europe:http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...GW/bike_ch1825

    http://www.cervelo.com/bikes/SPG.html

    I researched this for a long time. I decided early on I wanted steel, and I bought this because of reputation/reviews, price, weight, looks, and the clincher for me was that the frames comes with a Columbus Muscle (full) carbon fork, Cervelo carbon seat post, and a Cane Creek S2 head-set.

    Most of all, it was probably the price. I think they are now selling in the U.S. for about $900, which is reasonable for a "brand name" bike made with Columbus Foco steel. Try getting anything else in Foco for that price.

    Seriously...if you want steel, stop looking, and GET ONE OF THESE
    900 for the whole bike? Wow. I knew they had the superprodigy frames in sale at excel sports a while ago, but I forget how much they cost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jburnsdo
    THAT IS A SEXY SOULFULL LOOKING BIKE

    what made you dcide on that other than price?
    I appologize to those who've heard this 1000 times.........

    There's a company in Germany (EFBe) who conduct fatigue tests on bike frames, and
    I was first drawn to the Cervelos when I noticed that they had produced two of only
    three or four steel frames to ever pass any level of this test:
    http://www.efbe.de/defbefrm.htm (click on "English version", then "Road frames New 10/2004"). Scroll down the table to see the frames that have passed. There's been some controversy over the testing
    procedures, but I'm still impressed. So, I thought, if I want a light steel frame, I might as well get one that seems to be strong.

    You'll notice there are many other Cervelos (carbon and alu) on the EFBe table.

    I'm also impressed with the way they seem to have garnered a fantastic reputation, yet they've
    only been building road frames for about 5 or 6 years.


    I could go on.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatman
    900 for the whole bike? Wow. I knew they had the superprodigy frames in sale at excel sports a while ago, but I forget how much they cost...
    No, it's about $900 for a frame, fork, carbon post, and head-set........maybe $980

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    No, it's about $900 for a frame, fork, carbon post, and head-set........maybe $980

    The whole bike is about $19O0, with Ultegra and Shimano wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
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    I'm also impressed with the way they seem to have garnered a fantastic reputation, yet they've
    only been building road frames for about 5 or 6 years.


    I could go on.......

    I checked out the manufacturer's web site and I am impressed. I have only seen Cervelo's tri-geek bikes, and I assumed that was all they were good at. Nearest LBS is too far away. Anybody know any mail order companies that stock superprodigies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jburnsdo
    I checked out the manufacturer's web site and I am impressed. I have only seen Cervelo's tri-geek bikes, and I assumed that was all they were good at. Nearest LBS is too far away. Anybody know any mail order companies that stock superprodigies?
    NO NO NO NO ...They even have a team in the Tour de France. The Superprodigy was the most recent steel bike to be used on the pro European tour be Team CSC

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    gvhbikes.com has a pegoretti on their special deals page.

    Pegoretti Palosanto w/Shimano Ultegra 9spd and full carbon fork...$2095

    good looking complete bike - just thought i'd put it out there since somebody mentioned peg's and they're hot.

    the cervelo looks great as well. sounds like you should have fun shopping. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jburnsdo
    ...So what's your favorite bike overall, since you have both??? And if you've got to dust them off--have you found something you like better??
    I was joking - I don't have either. But if I did, I doubt they would collect dust....

    Sorry for the confusion.

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    I just checked out a bunch of non-custom steel frames and the Superprodigy was on my list of things to try. But no one around here carries it, just their tri bikes. Of the steel ones I rode:

    Colnago Classic - caddy like. Very smooth, but felt slightly heavy. Not a racer.
    Bianchi Imola/Vigorelli - Nice frame, not as smooth as the Colnago but felt more responsive. Great bike to put miles on and do some non-aggressive riding.
    Fuji Roubaix Pro - ditto, maybe a little more race appeal. My wife purchased one and likes it.
    2003 Lemond Zurich - Not steel anymore but nice ride. You need to like their geometry and have to deal with the cantankerous Greg.
    Litespeed Solano and Firenze - Okay, Ti not steel but close enough. Very uninspiring bikes but good. I feel they're overpriced.
    Bianchi Virata - This is the bike I bought. Not a complete steel bike with the carbon stays. A wonderful ride. Light and responsive and has a wonderful supple ride. The ride is less harsh than all the other steel bikes I rode but still is quick, light, and can climb. Imagine the smooth feel of steel without the flex and the extra weight usually associated with steel frames. I rode a Giant TCR2 and that was the only bike that was obviously quicker. This includes the Felt bikes, the Specialized Roubaix's, the Fuji Team, Bianchi Giro, Colnago Active, and other aluminum/carbon bikes. Plus now the Virata comes in Celeste.

    I also looked at Gunnar's and Serotta's but decided I'm not going to buy a bike unridden. They sound like they're good bikes.

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    Waterford, custom fit, ride tuned to your interests and ambitions.
    In terms of off-the-shelf bikes, there is every kind of flavor you can imagine. You want tough? There's the 6 POUND Italian frame Lance rode in a TDF. The thing's a tank, but a fast one. If you can afford
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    Take a look at the Bianchi Virata. Steel Dedacciai EOM tubing and a Black Tail/Black Box integrated carbon rear end. I own one and it's one heck of a sweet ride. Take it for a ride, you'll know what I'm talking about.

    http://www.bianchiusa.com/563.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by 531Aussie
    Any chance I get......... (Am i as bad as "Bianchi Rider"? )

    I recently bought a 2004 Cervelo Superprodigy, and it's FANTASTIC. It's one of these, but this one has slightly longer, custom chain-stays, most likely built for the cobbles in Europe:http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...GW/bike_ch1825

    http://www.cervelo.com/bikes/SPG.html

    I researched this for a long time. I decided early on I wanted steel, and I bought this because of reputation/reviews, price, weight, looks, and the clincher for me was that the frames comes with a Columbus Muscle (full) carbon fork, Cervelo carbon seat post, and a Cane Creek S2 head-set.

    Most of all, it was probably the price. I think they are now selling in the U.S. for about $900, which is reasonable for a "brand name" bike made with Columbus Foco steel. Try getting anything else in Foco for that price.

    Seriously...if you want steel, stop looking, and GET ONE OF THESE

    THat super prodigy is down right racey looking. I love steel frames. How much does the steel frame weigh?

    Anyway, My future project code named "ultimate Speed Weapon" will most likely involve a frame like this mated to a DA 7800 Drivetrain (and of course the beloved DA 7800 180mm torque monster cranks). I love the style of that frame along with the lemonds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jburnsdo
    THAT IS A SEXY SOULFULL LOOKING BIKE

    what made you decide on that other than price?
    Oh yeah, on the look: I love that retro nickel plating on the rear triangle. It reminds me of the old bikes with the chrome rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleCrank
    Take a look at the Bianchi Virata. Steel Dedacciai EOM tubing and a Black Tail/Black Box integrated carbon rear end. I own one and it's one heck of a sweet ride. Take it for a ride, you'll know what I'm talking about.

    http://www.bianchiusa.com/563.html
    I'd like to echo this comment, I love my Virata, it is one sweet ride.

    Plus the 2005 comes in celeste... mmmmmm, tasty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
    THat super prodigy is down right racey looking. I love steel frames. How much does the steel frame weigh?.
    My 58cm Cervelo weighs 1687g without the fork (3.7lbs), which compares favourably with all other steels frames, and also a lot of aluminiums, especially considering it has a slightly over-sized downtube, and quite chunky stays.

    I'm such a geek, i put it on Weight Weenies: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/li...ype=roadframes



    Quote Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
    Anyway, My future project code named "ultimate Speed Weapon" will most likely involve a frame like this mated to a DA 7800 Drivetrain (and of course the beloved DA 7800 180mm torque monster cranks). I love the style of that frame along with the lemonds.
    I must admit, while the Cervelo is stiff for a steel frame, it's not as stiff as aluminium.
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    I'll chime in here with the Jamis line. I ride a 2005 Jamis Quest. Love it! if you want carbon seat & chain stays, then look at the Eclipse. Check them out at http://www.jamisbikes.com


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    Quote Originally Posted by 53-11 alltheway
    Anyway, My future project code named "ultimate Speed Weapon" will most likely involve a frame like this mated to a DA 7800 Drivetrain (and of course the beloved DA 7800 180mm torque monster cranks). I love the style of that frame along with the lemonds.
    Have you decided on steel? That's why I keep asking you what distance you wanna focus on.

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    531Aussie, You ride 58cm also. That's what I saw on weight weenies table.

    Color Scheme is perfect. You may see me build up one of those over the winter.

    Rear Triangle looks awesome.

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    To be honest with you. I want to do fast centuries. I just like riding long distances more than anything else(just becasue I like being on my bike) . I'm probably faster short range though.

    Steel is probably not the best material for super fast times. If I was seriosly trying to set records I would have a some crazy carbon fiber disc wheel machine (loaded with carbon fiber widgets)

    Steel makes a good training bike though.
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