Who didn't / doesn't like their titanium road bike?
#101
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Pcaddie...what's the big idea trying to make a lucid argument?
Cruisers are sadly 'Americana'. In fact there is a parallel between Cruisers and motorcycling and how misunderstood cycling is in America for example compared to Europe. Europe gets motorcycling better than America as well...and I am all American. It’s somewhat endemic of the roads we have here...long and straight. Cruisers are the lead sleds of motorcycling and from a world perspective, are a drop in the bucket. Motorcycles started as standards with sit up and beg riding position which is still the most comfortable...which encompasses the sport touring category which you embrace. Back breaking feet forward cruiser riding position is all about fashion as you say….no rear suspension height for fashion to look long and low and feet have to go out in front where they can’t support the back. Cruisers sucks for handling and unless they have 120 rear horsepower are slow. A std mid peg bike makes the most sense and handles the best. Crotch rockets on the street are almost the polar opposite and painful in their own right. I ain't dissing on Harleys either. All the Hells Angel Harleys are mid controlled. The story of Harley Davidson is epic and Harley and Davidson were amazing pioneers. Sad to see the marquee morph however. Harley could be more than it is.
Cruisers are sadly 'Americana'. In fact there is a parallel between Cruisers and motorcycling and how misunderstood cycling is in America for example compared to Europe. Europe gets motorcycling better than America as well...and I am all American. It’s somewhat endemic of the roads we have here...long and straight. Cruisers are the lead sleds of motorcycling and from a world perspective, are a drop in the bucket. Motorcycles started as standards with sit up and beg riding position which is still the most comfortable...which encompasses the sport touring category which you embrace. Back breaking feet forward cruiser riding position is all about fashion as you say….no rear suspension height for fashion to look long and low and feet have to go out in front where they can’t support the back. Cruisers sucks for handling and unless they have 120 rear horsepower are slow. A std mid peg bike makes the most sense and handles the best. Crotch rockets on the street are almost the polar opposite and painful in their own right. I ain't dissing on Harleys either. All the Hells Angel Harleys are mid controlled. The story of Harley Davidson is epic and Harley and Davidson were amazing pioneers. Sad to see the marquee morph however. Harley could be more than it is.
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#102
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I forget most of everything right after I post it. PCAD has taught me that...As far as" big dudes leather wearing", They are some of the nicest folks I have ever been around. Would do anything to help a fellow biker, reguadless of type of bike..Bet you will find very few cyclist who had a problem with a harley rider..Here I'll give WALTER some more ammo to use against me..Fire away WALTER..I have thick skin.. My other Harley...
Also this pic was taken just a touch N of Daytona, where US1 and 95 intersect.
Shinny side up on your travels!
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Someone said Ti bikes......
Off the Harley and now with my red neck truck...If I had to choose between the 3..The lynskey and cycling would come first, if nothing more than the exercise and health factor, but you meet the nicest people on a motorcycle....less bravado, and more genuine respect for each other and the lifestyle. I found most motorcyclist to be self confident with little or nothing to prove. Cyclist on the other hand, seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I've been on both sides, and at least that's the way it seems. For me, if you're riding on two wheels I throw up a hand...If you don't wave back...you're the turd, not me...
Off the Harley and now with my red neck truck...If I had to choose between the 3..The lynskey and cycling would come first, if nothing more than the exercise and health factor, but you meet the nicest people on a motorcycle....less bravado, and more genuine respect for each other and the lifestyle. I found most motorcyclist to be self confident with little or nothing to prove. Cyclist on the other hand, seem to have a chip on their shoulder. I've been on both sides, and at least that's the way it seems. For me, if you're riding on two wheels I throw up a hand...If you don't wave back...you're the turd, not me...
#105
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As far as I'm concerned if you're on two wheels on the road, we're in the same boat, and we're on the same team. Us vs. the Cagers.
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I've never had a problem with a biker on the road or in a bar for that matter. (Not counting the crotch rocket boys weaving through traffic on the highway, and even then, it's not really a problem for me, they're the ones who are going to turf it.)
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Seeing as we're on the same team.....Any chance of you springing for "PCAD" Team jerseys? Heaven knows I should be first in line for all the insults you've hurled at me...
#109
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I forget most of everything right after I post it. PCAD has taught me that...As far as" big dudes leather wearing", They are some of the nicest folks I have ever been around. Would do anything to help a fellow biker, reguadless of type of bike..Bet you will find very few cyclist who had a problem with a harley rider..Here I'll give WALTER some more ammo to use against me..Fire away WALTER..I have thick skin.. My other Harley...
H-Ds are just fine though not my cup of tea.
Btw very few people still above ground can tell me a whole lot about the good and, unfortunately, the bad of riding motorcycles. Just say'n.
I'd love to still be riding.
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It's the jorts dude, the jorts.I'm assuming (hoping) the jeans in this pic get past your knees....
H-Ds are just fine though not my cup of tea.
Btw very few people still above ground can tell me a whole lot about the good and, unfortunately, the bad of riding motorcycles. Just say'n.
I'd love to still be riding.
H-Ds are just fine though not my cup of tea.
Btw very few people still above ground can tell me a whole lot about the good and, unfortunately, the bad of riding motorcycles. Just say'n.
I'd love to still be riding.
#111
SLJ 6/8/65-5/2/07
Ending a ride in a ambulance on the way to the ER sucks really hard. Typing one-handed since then infinitely moreso.
Congrats on the long years riding.I miss it. Every time I see a bike (motor) go by I get a twinge of envy.
Congrats on the long years riding.I miss it. Every time I see a bike (motor) go by I get a twinge of envy.
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#112
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Back on topic......I own a Ti bike (Litespeed) and a CF bike (Cervelo). My Litespeed isn't even remotely 'dead'. It has found that sweet spot where responsiveness and comfort perfectly meet. Unless it breaks I'll own that frame forever. The CF bike is nice, but it has no soul. It's just a piece of equipment. It's an example of the current technology and I like it a lot, but I won't have any reservations about selling it when I decide it's time for a newer CF bike.
#113
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On topic.....
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#114
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That theory is as old as the hills....Carbon bikes and Rice burners have one thing in common. They both lose half of their value quickly....That's a fact. I have been to many Harley rallies in Daytona, and while you do see some old school bikers, the majority are in the 30 to 40 year old range. People put $25-$50 grand into these bikes. That weeds out allot of the 17-25 year olds. Once they become adults they realize what a real motorcycle is, and they come over to the dark side....
17-25 year olds have no interest in slow, heavy, POS Harleys. Idiots sink 25-50 grand into Harleys desperately trying to cover them in gay looking chrome so they can look just like every other Harley on the road. Then they get idiotic straight pipes, tell people it's for "safety", and wear no helmet or a half helmet, no safety gear, and ride drunk. Leather vests covered in little pins and patches... odd group of people. Wander the doo-rag aisle at your Harley dealer looking for China-made rags to wear on your heads with little pieces of fabric hanging off the back so it looks like you actually tied a bandanna around your head.... LOL Harley pirates.
*real* motorcycles can corner, brake, and accelerate with brute force. Harleys just look shiny and sound like poop. Harley riders would probably kill themselves trying to duck-walk a real bike out of a pirate bar after drinking American macro swill all night long. Luckily their Harleys have no power and can't corner so they are less likely to hurt themselves due to lack of skill.
edit - Came here looking to learn more about Ti bikes, maybe see a few, and had to suffer Harley pirate logic. Argh!!!!!
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#116
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LOL Harley pirates.
17-25 year olds have no interest in slow, heavy, POS Harleys. Idiots sink 25-50 grand into Harleys desperately trying to cover them in gay looking chrome so they can look just like every other Harley on the road. Then they get idiotic straight pipes, tell people it's for "safety", and wear no helmet or a half helmet, no safety gear, and ride drunk. Leather vests covered in little pins and patches... odd group of people. Wander the doo-rag aisle at your Harley dealer looking for China-made rags to wear on your heads with little pieces of fabric hanging off the back so it looks like you actually tied a bandanna around your head.... LOL Harley pirates.
*real* motorcycles can corner, brake, and accelerate with brute force. Harleys just look shiny and sound like poop. Harley riders would probably kill themselves trying to duck-walk a real bike out of a pirate bar after drinking American macro swill all night long. Luckily their Harleys have no power and can't corner so they are less likely to hurt themselves due to lack of skill.
edit - Came here looking to learn more about Ti bikes, maybe see a few, and had to suffer Harley pirate logic. Argh!!!!!
17-25 year olds have no interest in slow, heavy, POS Harleys. Idiots sink 25-50 grand into Harleys desperately trying to cover them in gay looking chrome so they can look just like every other Harley on the road. Then they get idiotic straight pipes, tell people it's for "safety", and wear no helmet or a half helmet, no safety gear, and ride drunk. Leather vests covered in little pins and patches... odd group of people. Wander the doo-rag aisle at your Harley dealer looking for China-made rags to wear on your heads with little pieces of fabric hanging off the back so it looks like you actually tied a bandanna around your head.... LOL Harley pirates.
*real* motorcycles can corner, brake, and accelerate with brute force. Harleys just look shiny and sound like poop. Harley riders would probably kill themselves trying to duck-walk a real bike out of a pirate bar after drinking American macro swill all night long. Luckily their Harleys have no power and can't corner so they are less likely to hurt themselves due to lack of skill.
edit - Came here looking to learn more about Ti bikes, maybe see a few, and had to suffer Harley pirate logic. Argh!!!!!
Are Harleys dumb? In some ways I suppose. Are the owners dumb? Some of them. But I think most of them know what they're getting and not getting with a Harley vs. some higher performance motorcycle. High performance motorcycles have a different feel, look, style, etc. than a HD. What's wrong with that? The really dumb thing is the 'loud pipes save lives', the half helmets, etc., the anti-helmet law lobbying, etc.
WhatEVER. That's my opinion. Whoooshface probably thinks I'm a moron/wussy for riding a Honda ST1300. While he is of course, incorrect, he is still my m/c brother.
Just keep the shiny side up boys. That's all we ask.
#117
Packers Fan
There is nothing wrong with the anti-helmet law lobbying. It's not the government's business whether you want to be a moron and ride without a helmet. Unlike the pipes that seemingly every pirate puts on their Harley, the lack of a helmet only affects the rider (and his family when he dies in a minor collision where a helmet, armored jacket, *real* moto boots, and gauntlets would have saved him from major injury).
I think Harleys are awful, boring motorcycles (yes I have thousands of miles of experience riding them) but in general I keep my opinions to myself. I just hate when the "real motorcycle" argument comes out. Apparently real motorcycles aren't supposed to have any modicum of performance and must be slathered in Liberace-approved chrome, not to mention the gyno exam table riding position.
I think Harleys are awful, boring motorcycles (yes I have thousands of miles of experience riding them) but in general I keep my opinions to myself. I just hate when the "real motorcycle" argument comes out. Apparently real motorcycles aren't supposed to have any modicum of performance and must be slathered in Liberace-approved chrome, not to mention the gyno exam table riding position.
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I forget most of everything right after I post it. PCAD has taught me that...As far as" big dudes leather wearing", They are some of the nicest folks I have ever been around. Would do anything to help a fellow biker, reguadless of type of bike..Bet you will find very few cyclist who had a problem with a harley rider..Here I'll give WALTER some more ammo to use against me..Fire away WALTER..I have thick skin.. My other Harley...