aboss3

Trying to hear some feedback on these wheels. I know it's a huge price difference here, and I want to see if I can save some $$$ on getting Neuvations?

A little about me: 6'2", 185, riding agressive. My bike is Specialized Allez.

Thanks!

achoo

At 185, you should be as fine on the Neuvations as you would be on the Ksyrium Elites. IIRC they're both 20-spoke rear wheels, which you're probably pushing the limits of. If anything, the Neuvation's are maybe a bit stronger as they have a deeper rim, which also makes it more aero.

Look at it this way: by a quick calculation, the Mavics would have to last twice as long as the Neuvations to pay for the price difference. But even then you can always ship your wheels back to Neuvation and have them rebuilt with new rims - they charge $10 for that over the $50 charge for the new rim.

aboss3

Thanks! Sounds like Neuvations is the way to go. I'm even thinking keeping my front CXP22, and just replacing the rear for now.

kabex

Factory built wheels like the Mavics are usually hideously overpriced for what they are. Take that as you will.

info

Are the Neuvations wheels loud ?
I think ,I may have read that somewhere . Can someone comment on this ?
Also , I been looking at the Williams cycling wheels . They look nice and have good remarks

2ndGen

Hmmm...let's see:

Nuvis: 1750g, cost $250., deep V rim.
Elites: 1550g, cost $600., box-section rim.
[Both include 1 year warranty]

(Aero benefits of V rim don't begin to kick in until they start at 40mm/so it's a wash in aero)

The Nuvis would definitely suit your purposes (a low-cost wheelset that would support your weight).
However, these two wheels are in different worlds. The Ksyriums are chocked full of propriety tech,
while the Nuvis are not. Ksyriums are forever wheels, used by pros to train on with an excellent
reputation for being reliable and trustworthy. Nuvis are good wheels, no doubt...for the money.

Which are stiffer? Provide better performance? The Mavics. But then again, what you need is up to you.
At $600., the Mavic Ksyrium Elites are actually considered a great value for what they provide.

Personally, I love the Nuvis myself (I like how they look and what they offer for the money).
You can't go wrong with them, but to compare them to Ksryiums is unfair to the Nuvis.
They should be compared to Bicycle Wheel Warehouse "type" wheels. Entry level hoops.
Or, they should really be compared to Mavic's Aksium model (similar price range, weight and type).

You can get them and feel great about them. They are a solid wheelset. Good luck.




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ScoJo

Is 185 really pushing the limits of the Mavics? If so, I could be in trouble...

achoo

Hmm, I wonder which one takes longer to get parts for, and which one costs more to fix...

Because Mavic gives them away to pros.

Why?

So people who want to be "like the pros" spend $600 for wheels that are little better than what you can get for $250. As if the 150g difference in weight makes a difference for anyone not good enough to have Mavic toss wheels at you for free.

Amazing how marketing works.

achoo

Nah, ISTR them being pretty quiet.

Walter

I use Ksyriums. The original SSCs and som older Elites. I like them alot and they've been bullet proof for me and I weigh about 215 right now and weighed alot more than that while riding those wheels.

Having said that I didn't pay retail for either set and retail Ksyriums are expensive.

2ndGen

While I didn't get mine for $250., I didn't pay retail either.

Got mine for $650. installed (incl. tax & 2 Year MP3 Warranty).
In and out of my LBS with my wheelset within 20 minutes of making my decision. Rode them right away. Gotta love that.
I believe MSRP is like $675. + MP3 of $55. + local tax (if not shipped) would've come out to $785. + installation of
my tires/tubes/cassette. I did a lot of research on them and riders in our range have done well on them.
I think OP would've been alright with them.

The Neuvations would be $310. w/shipping and 2 year warranty, so the difference between the two is $340.,
no installation on the Nuvis included and 200 grams [along with the construction of the wheels and features].
Those are the "real world" numbers. Once installation is figured in, what? maybe a $300. difference in the two?
For what the OP wants, IMO, not worth it really. He made the right choice for him.



My LBS has parts on hand and they'd take care of them for me on the spot.
One of the benefits of buying from a dealer as opposed to "mail order". Great guys.
Probably mail order wheelsets would take longer to get parts for since they're not local.
Or, owner would have to go through trouble of packing & shipping them out for service.
[Plus, both OP's choices come with optional 2 year warranties for 10% of purchase price.]

Pretty smart of Mavic to do that. Some people actually prefer higher quality wheels.
That's probably why they're so successful at producing great wheelsets.
(And I believe the difference is like 200g in the wheelsets being compared)



No weight limit on Mavics.
I believe that Nuvi's are 210lbs.
So OP will be okay either way.


(Edit: Mavic's lighter wheels seem to have a 200lb limit however)

Silvercivic27

Or you could kick down $800 and get the 1440gm, $1400 K10s from Competitive cyclist, complete with Vittoria tire/tube. I personally bought the Elites just before the K10s went on sale. . .damn. . .

2ndGen

Yeah, I saw that. But aren't those the 2010's?
I actually saw Ksyrium SL's for about $700. But again, 2010's.

After $600. (and I was way reluctant to pay even that),
it starts getting too close to getting used Zipps.

When the stars have lined up (although not with my pockets),
I've seen late model Zipp 404's go for a thousand.
That's a lot of wheel for the money IMO.

For me, the 2011 Elites were the perfect combination of quality and aesthetics. It was a perfect "buy" for me.
Now, I have to compensate somewhere else for the extra 220g I got with them to reach my bike's weight goal.
But I have no regrets. Especially after experiencing them.

It's kind of like the difference between a "Hooker" and an "Escort".
Both get the job done, but the one that costs more usually has more class and requires less risk!

ILUVUK

I have the Neuvation M28 aeroX on the front. I don't have the matching rear at present. I'm guessing I have somewhere between 1500-2000 miles on it and it is as true as the day I bought it. I have zero complaints. That said, I've never ridden Ksy. Elites.

Silvercivic27

There only are 2010s, as they are a 10th anniversary special edition.
I totally agree. I mainly bought the Elites for the steel spokes (more comfy ride supposedly on my horrendous roads), and because they were a great bang-for-the-buck. These K10s, however, are an even BETTER bang for the buck (when they're damn near half price), especially considering I bought 2 new GP4000s and light weight tubes, which narrows that gap to $800. The K10s are lighter than the SLs, and don't have the goofy, non-aero, exploding spokes that the SRs do. The tires that come with the K10s are supposed to be pretty good too, and have a much nicer profile on the rim compared to standard tube/clincher tire. The K10 wheels supposedly also accomodate regular clincher tires/tubes too.

achoo

"Installation"!?!?!?! For a wheelset?

I was probably 240ish when I got my Neuvation bike. I couldn't pin John Neugent down on a weight limit. Got it with the wheels anyway because he would only give me about $100 or thereabouts off to get the bike without wheels.

Actually, I think it's 100 kg. Either way, too close for me to risk.

xdrmusclex

you beat me to it! Who the f needs installation of wheels?! I can understand things like a spoke or cables, but wheels?

Step 1) put on bike
step 2) close quick release

2ndGen

Sounds like my set-up: Elites with GP4Ks and Conti Race Lite Tubes. Fun, fun, fun!

2ndGen

A) For someone who works and doesn't have the time to do it themselves
(or for an inexperienced rider who has no mechanical ability), yes. Installation.

B) I agree with a risk being too close...that's why I went with the Ksyriums.
Read only good things about them from riders in my weight range and higher.

2ndGen

step 3) jump on bike pedal and f your shin up because there's no cassette on the new wheelset

So, does every road cycling enthusiast have a cassette removal tool?
Bike stand? The Mechanical Experience? Etc...?

Walter

It's worth your time to keep an eye on eBay and internet outlets if you're looking for Kysiriums. MSRP for those are outrageous, IMO, but retail can be avoided. Nashbar occasionally puts some previous year K's on sale for pretty cheap. I score my Elites (08 or 09) for ~$300 from either cbike or lickbike (forget but think the latter) on a closeout.

Psimet should be mentioned as well as Soul.

2ndGen

Correct & correct.

I've seen the 2010's going for as low as $500. and the 09's going for $400. (if a person isn't as finicky as I was).
BTW...$300. is awesome. Great score.

Walter

It was actually a thread here either 2 or 3 years ago that tipped me off on the Elites. Particularly nice as they had Campy.Nashbar almost never does. Several members bought some.

The SSC's were purchased used from the owner of the LBS I frequent. Recently had the rear hub rebuilt and they're good as new.

Now that I think about it the Elites might be from 07 or even 06. Time flies.

2ndGen

I came across a set of SSC's in near mint condition as well as some 2010 "take-off" Elites for $400.
All would've been great purchases, but I got such a great deal from my LBS, it just made sense for me.
Plus, the fact that every time I went in they were just hanging there talking to me from the rafters:

"Steve, when are you going to take us home and put us on your CAAD like a pair of Stilettos?
You know you want us. You know we'd look awesome on you CAAD and we'd be a million times
better than those anchors you call wheels now. Come on Steve, takes us home. You won't regret it."



Convenience met opportunity and I was on my way to the shop to get them mounted.
Matter of fact, I remember the moment I pulled my bike out of the LBS with everything else I put on it.
The only missing piece was the wheelset (like a pair of shoes on a woman all dressed up).
I was in bed. It was about 11 at night and it hit me. I couldn't "not" get them.
I called my LBS & left them a message to get those Elites off the hook for me; I'll be in to have them mounted.
Went in, got them on, took her for a ride and felt like I had a brand new bike. And she flew. Damn.
She felt better than the Madone 5.2 I rode in every way, shape and form.

I was so broke that week.

Including the Edge 1.0 fork and the Dura Ace chainrings I picked up, I spend about $1,200. on my bike, but that was it. She was done. Finito. And it was well worth it. The adjusted price for my custom-built CAAD after deducting what OEM bits I sold off was a grand total of $3,500. and I still have a ton of parts left over (OEM wheels/tires/tubes, brakes,fork, fr der, etc...that'll go on my singlespeed).

lechat

before i spent $650 0n Elites, i'd get these:
https://cgi.ebay.com/Mavic-Ksyrium-Ed...d#ht_500wt_951