cuda2k

Quoted again to agree with this and what DrPete said in his quote.

That said, we are straying dangerously close to P&R land here, as we always do when this topic comes up. So here's this thread's general warning to keep it non-political and factual so there's some hope this thread stays here as long as possible. Thank you.

x514

the obvious fitness level and mental strength of a good cyclist is enough of a deterrent, there are much easier people to rob or whatever.

although a cyclist where i live did get stabbed a few times a month ago, **** happens.

brianbeech

The only problem is, the fitness level and mental strength of a good cyclist is only known by other cyclists. To everyone else, they see a grown man in spandex...kinda silly.

Hulley

Its never ceases to amaze me how a gun, which is an inanimate object incabable of doing anything by itself stirs so many emotions. Emotions have in I.Q. of zero. How about we focus our emotions on loving our spouses, kids, neighbors and in people we meet everyday and maybe we wouldnt worry about being armed. We can make a difference just by not being A-holes to people that dont see things our way. Eveybody just relaxe and take care of yourself/family and everything will be ok. Now, if only my new Addict would show up so i can go ride and relaxe!

Ratzinger

Yes, sorry I was being smarmy. I was making a dig at the person who said that we shouldn't be discussing this since gun ownership is a right, and at the idea that the constitution is revered almost like a holy text. It's worth having the debate, especially since the American constitution doesn't apply to most cyclist (or people) in the world.

In any case, I find this discussion interesting. People here have riffles, but there isn't a debate about having concealed hand guns. We just don't. It's not being anti-gun, it's just our way of being. If people started carrying around hand guns out of fear...that's when I would start to feel unsafe myself.

jfmckenna

And it amazes me how the NRA has assembled an army of brainwashed propagandist spouting off the same claptrap nonsense.

P and R yet?

banerjek

My sense is it's more like deciding to wear a helmet when walking from the couch to the fridge to get a beer.

But back to the OP's question. If you do carry, how do you keep the gun from being ruined by sweat?

In all honesty, the greatest threat most cyclists face to their safety is their own stupidity -- the vast majority of accidents can be avoided simply by riding smart. The second greatest threat is inattentive drivers. Everything else is far behind. The number of situations where a gun could even potentially be useful is minuscule.

njkayaker

It's odd that you see pushing a political agenda is one sided. For many, it appears the point of their carrying is to push their political agenda.

rmr1923

i have a Texas CHL and i carry occasionally, but not 24/7 like some people do. i joined a CHL-related forum to gain some insight into parts of my state's laws in regards to concealed carry that the course didn't explain in much detail, and you wouldn't believe some of the people out there (albeit a very small minority) that seemingly think there's a bad guy lurking around every corner. they'll carry multiple guns with spare magazines everywhere they go. i find myself thinking, if i really think i need 2 guns and 50 rounds of ammo on my person, maybe i should think twice about where i'm planning to go.

in my CHL class we watched a few videos on techniques for being aware of your surroundings, and i found myself thinking "good gosh, if i ever get THAT paranoid, i'm just going to stay home". i believe in the right to bear arms, but some people are just WAY too paranoid.

that being said, i have a .308 built into the top tube of my bike, with a trigger and laser sight hidden under the stem. you know, incase there are rabid squirrels or skunks on the trails i ride

njkayaker

????

In a thread about guns, it surprises you that people talk about them?

To point out what is obvious to everybody but you, it's not really just the "inanimate object" that concerns people with concerns.

??? Are you suggesting that the OP marry the "thugs" he's worried about?

Please enlighten us about the facts you have about how useful carrying while riding is!

One story I know that involved a legally-carried gun and a cyclist (not carrying the gun) didn't really play out in any useful way.


Weird. I can't tell whether you are for or against cyclists carrying. Are you normally this ambiguous and confusing?

Hulley

You obviously dont get it. The vast majority of posts are not factual drivin but emotionally drivin. You (not you personally) cant have an intelligent conversation if all remarks are emotional. Plus, I already said that I dont carry when riding.

njkayaker

It's too "kumbaya" to be an NRA position.

I can't really tell what Hulley is getting at. What he is saying doesn't appear to make much sense.

Hulley

In a nutshell. The OP asked a question, lots of people responded with opinions on guns/carrying/how to live your life/where to live etc. The thread quickly derailed and turned into useless chatter. All I'm saying is keep it on topic and intelligent. If you dont have anything to really contribute than dont post. BTW, I'm not a NRA member and yesterday I sold an FNP-9 to help pay for my Addict thats coming in this week.

Snapperhead

Considering the number of times I've been yelled at this year, and the incident where the guy threatened to get out of his pickup and kick our asses, I'm considering it. And I don't even own a gun now. People are just freakin nuts!!!

myrridin

Personally, I have never witnessed anyone who legally carries or advocates such carry suggest that other be required to carry. To put it simply, they don't try to force others to do what they want them to do; something, that is clearly not the case with those who oppose the very idea that someone might wish to carry a firearm.

If you don't want to carry, then don't, but I fail to see any justification for the diatribes this topic generates. At least the helmet related diatribes have the basis that some jurisdictions attempt to require all riders to wear them...

One thing is clear, given the proliferation of folks who can legally carry in the last twenty years, we haven't scene any evidence that they are likely to start behaving illegally (you know like shooting people at random) just because they are carrying a gun...

njkayaker

No, you aren't communicating effectively. That's your problem (not mine).

Posts like yours!

Please show ONE "fact" in the following.

Kumbaya!

njkayaker

??? This is a straw man. No one is saying anybody is suggesting that everybody be "required" to carry.

Given the one story (The NC? firefighter) I know about a bicyclist and legal carry incident, the fact that other "fine upstanding" people choose to carry might have an literal "impact" on me.

It wasn't a "random shooting" but the NC firefighter incident is one piece of evidence. I'm not exactly overly worried about people carrying.

It just seems kind of pointless and motivated by unfounded and exaggerated fear. And not really very effective or practical (especially on a bicycle).

The anti-helmet "diatribes" are dopey because many in the anti-helmet camp here are arguing against "mandatory helmet laws" (and don't make that clear) and very, very few "pro-helmet" people here are for such laws (but don't realize that they are being forced into arguing for such laws).

JTGraphics

I grew up in a house full of firearms and respect them as such, for me they were for sporting use and still so.
I would not think of taking one on a bike ride in a public place even with a CWP it;s just not worth it if you discharge it.
That said to make a long story short as someone mentioned the right to protect yourself when I was a young kid @16 I was passing the house one day and noticed a truck in the driveway that didn't belong so I scoped it out for a bit went in a door on the side loaded up 2 shot guns waited till the correct moment and confronted 3 large guys with 2 loaded shotguns pumped on out of the chamber just to let them know I was serious business pushed it back in and showed them my backup LOL cops were in route also as my buddy called them while I held them in the driveway sitting, so yes I do be leave in the right to bare arms but not to carry in public and primary use for sporting.

mymojo

Under the stem? Dude, that sounds like a C & V model. They build trigger groups into the brifters these days.

And I agree about the gun specific forums. I enjoyed learning a lot about Texas Laws, but it sometimes seemed to wackier someone is, the more credence they were afforded. Of course, there are some wacky left wing types on cycling forums, too. So I guess it all evens out.

And as a gun owner with a CHL, I tried CCing on my bike, but just found it too unwieldy. So I weighed the odds and made the decision that seemed best for me. Was it the right decision? I guess time will tell.

rmr1923

yeah i was going to integrate the trigger into the brifters, but i might accidentally shoot the guy i'm trying to draft, so i went with the stem instead.

and the thought did cross my mind about carrying my snub-nosed .38 when i ride out in the country, mainly because i come across snakes occasionally, and with the lack of rain down here we've seen plenty water moccasins coming out of hiding. unfortunately my .38 doesn't fit in the bag i have strapped under the seat, and i can't think of a way to carry it on my body without it being very uncomfortable.

and i like an idea someone else posted in a pic.. i think it was a Tommy gun attached to the top tube..

cuzinjosh

all i know is this has further inspired me to get a gun lolz, drphils comments about buying a new bike ect... im blessed to be riding the bike im on now, were not all lucky enough to be that financially secure.... doc tore

mymojo

Well played, Sir. well played. *golf clap*

Hulley

Nj, you sure showed me. I hope you sleep better tonight.

jfmckenna

It's the , "Guns don't kill people people do" mantra. Old and worn out and totally idiotic logic, you know like, duh.

njkayaker

And your "kumbaya" message was even worse (and "how to live your life" advice)

You are complaining about posts just like yours!!

Your posts were "useless chatter" too and confusing as well.

Personally, I think the NRA is a bit nutty. I don't have any issue with gun ownership per se.

Carrying on a bicycle just seems kind of pointless and motivated by unfounded and exaggerated fear. And not really very effective or practical. No one has made any compelling argument that it isn't this.