brianbeech

For the question the OP posted, that's all I've seen those opposed do. He asked about carrying while riding and that launched those opposed into how stupid it is to own guns and how someone shouldn't even look at a gun, lest he or she risk killing innocent baby puppies and wildflowers.

It's a bit childish to have the attitude of: 'If I don't agree with it, I don't care what statistics/facts say, I'll decide what is right or wrong and demean you for thinking otherwise.'

And, let's not deride the NRA for trying to uphold the Constitution unless we'll do the same thing to the ACLU; no matter how off base we may think one of them is.

njkayaker

Snakes are a problem while riding??? Maybe, you should just ride around them?

WhyFi

Forgive me, but did I miss where the pro-carry-while-riding group posted relevant and sound statistics to back up their stance?

monkeyevil

What a train wreck.

banerjek

Wouldn't an easier solution be to just not run over the snakes? And even if you did, how does the snake represent a threat since it wouldn't be able to strike in time, you wouldn't crash, and it would probably die anyway?

I've never had any trouble getting by critters from chipmunk to deer sized, and the only thing I worry about is colliding with one big enough to take me down (e.g. deer or a coyote jumping in front of me on a descent). Not sure how a gun would be useful there.

I rode my first century almost 30 years ago and still ride quite a bit even by bike weenie standards. As such, I've seen some pretty crazy things (including being surrounded by people who wanted to rob me). I still have yet to see a situation where a gun would have been handy.

Edonis13

This thread has reminded me that I've been meaning to get a ruger LCP to carry while riding.

BiggSlic

I am a licensed CCW however I rarely carry my weapon with me. This thought about carrying on my bike has crossed my mind before but I can't justify the added weight and discomfort it would most likely cause.

Elkhound

People have been killing one another since long before guns were invented, and if every gun in the world were to disappear, people would still find ways to kill one another. I read on the BBC that because of there being so many kifings in the UK, they were considering making knives with sharp points illegal.

brianbeech

Well, one poster did try to send you to gunfacts.info to try to refute all the myths pushed by the anti group. But, they're not pushing for everyone to be carrying like the anti side is pushing for everyone to NOT carry. I think there's a breakdown of communication here; maybe it's my fault.

tmass

So inanimate objects getting up and killing people is logical in your book?

Hulley

Nj, please stop your hurting my feelings. Kumbya!

Chris(NJ)

I'd carry if I commuted to work. But I wouldnt bother taking one w/ me on my afternoon/weekend ride.

njkayaker

No, not "all".

Meh. The gun carriers don't have any statistics either.

Anyway, it's pretty damn obvious that an overwhelming number of people do just fine without having to carry guns. So, it's clear that the reason people want to carry guns is because they want to (not because there's any practical reason).

(The only person here that indicated a real reason to was the ex-DEA with "enemies", but I'm guessing that he's very unusual!)

The difference is that the ACLU realizes that there are more amendments than just the second!! I'd also guess that many (maybe a majority) in the NRA think the ACLU is some sort of evil commie plot. So mentioning the two as being equivalent is funny.

njkayaker

?? So, people without guns shoot people?

Anyway, "guns don't kill people" thing is stupid.

If there's a particular problem with guns being used to kill people, it's because they make it easy and simple to do so.

And you can't really get rid of people.

cuda2k

Gentlemen (and any ladies around, though I haven't seen any) PLEASE refrain from taking this ANY FURTHER into P&R territory or this thread will be moved there in very short order.

cuda2k, Forum Admin.

mymojo

Do you blame the car or the drunk driver?

njkayaker

Exercise your second amendment rights because people might exercise their first amendment rights! (Yes, I'm skipping over the pickup dude.)

WhyFi

1) that's 98 pages long - who wants to sift for relevance? From a quick glance, most of the "dubunked myths," have little practical merit, let alone relevance. Example - Um, okay, but a) what do other years look like? b) what about the numbers when you include all under 18 (or whatever age is common to gain eligibility to be licensed) c) how does the ratio of drowning : being shot make 65 deaths okay?
2) OBVIOUSLY compiled by a pro-gun individual and, judging by his bio, he doesn't seem to have any qualifications in statistical analysis
3) sources are cited, but no context is given. Anywhere.

njkayaker

Who is blaming the gun? Do you think the purpose of cars is to kill or to threaten to people? You are confused!

(And we really don't want drunk people using guns either.)

njkayaker

I just don't get your complaints about your own posts!

Hulley

Like a dog with a frisbee. Kumbaya!

thump55

Well the car does make it easy and simple to do so.

Hulley

LOL! Now that was funny I dont care who your are!

SpecialJohnnyG

SCOTUS has pretty much determined in recent case law that carrying a gun is a Constitutionally protected right. They just didn't list EVERY example of what that means. We're just waiting to see how this plays out state by state before getting kicked back up to SCOTUS.

I don't really like to be in the business of telling others what they should or shouldn't do, regardless of whether or not I agree with their viewpoint. This is extra true for enumerated rights (such as free speech or self defense).

Personally, I might consider carrying on a bike if I was riding by myself in a higher crime area. I am legally allowed to do so. Of course, I'd attempt to avoid such an area first, but that's not always possible. If it keeps me away from cars on a commute, guess which way I'm gonna go. The biggest hinderance is where to put the darn thing. Bike clothes are not designed for such things.

As far as a gun going off by accident during a crash, etc... etc.. that is just BS. Any properly designed handgun in a holster will NOT go off regardless of how one might fall or land on it, even with one in the chamber. You think a cop carrying a gun has ever fell down or got in a car crash? Yes. Do their guns regularly discharge in those circumstances? No. Now carrying without a holster that protects the trigger area is another story. Or carrying a poorly designed or antiquated handgun with a round in the chamber could be a problem too.

This forum is highly polarized on topics such as this. It amazes me that it seems to come up so often.

Hulley

BF is awesome! Its so easy to confuse and upset people. I can entertain myself for hours here, unfortunately I DO entertain myself for hours instead of working!