The Biggest Idiot in Road Cycling Today
05-30-11, 01:41 PM
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05-30-11, 01:48 PM
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The one thing that I know for certain about the Giro is than none of the participants in this thread ever have or ever will ride in it. Therefore there is no need to get emotional and personal about this.
In other words a few of you who are bumping up against the word censor and/or engaging in creative spelling really need to slow your roll.
In other words a few of you who are bumping up against the word censor and/or engaging in creative spelling really need to slow your roll.
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05-30-11, 01:50 PM
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05-30-11, 02:01 PM
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I can't help but imagine a group of pro riders, crowding around a computer monitor, reading this thread and laughing their asses off...
05-30-11, 02:05 PM
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A pro reading posts by Freds assessing them as 'Wussies' for not wanting to get killed or driven to utter exhaustion racing their bikes due to imbecilic race organization wouldn't find it amusing. They would find it annoying and stupid. So do I.
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05-30-11, 02:46 PM
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05-30-11, 03:12 PM
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We all are....reasonable that is...until we hit the internet. Then the demons are released.
05-30-11, 03:15 PM
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The one thing that I know for certain about the Giro is than none of the participants in this thread ever have or ever will ride in it. Therefore there is no need to get emotional and personal about this.
In other words a few of you who are bumping up against the word censor and/or engaging in creative spelling really need to your roll.
In other words a few of you who are bumping up against the word censor and/or engaging in creative spelling really need to your roll.
05-30-11, 03:16 PM
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05-30-11, 03:18 PM
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No pcad, I think Thulsadoom has got it right. The utter absurdity of it I am sure would make them crack a few smiles of derision.
05-30-11, 04:22 PM
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No, sometimes profanity makes an emphatic point far more effectively than beating around the bush does. And only a reasoned argument gets a reasoned response. An overly-dramatic statement full of hyperbole gets a response in kind.
I am not an expert - I have an opinion, just as everyone else does. But I dont go around pretending that my point of view is the only correct one and that the other party has nothing valid about what they think. You can choose to believe one side or the other and at the same time accept that the opposing point of view has some validity. Arguing opinions is one thin - but when you start making statements that completely dismiss the opinion of the race director of the Giro on nothing other than "I say so", then I have to ask why "I say so" carries any weight.
Look at the history and the genesis of Grand Tours. They were meant to be epic rides, the ultimate test of endurance and willpower and all the other cliches. So now, riders are complaining about having to spend a couple of hours in a bus, getting the latest nutrition and massages while they are transferred to/from their hotel rooms. Sure, it is inconvenient. But the "death of professional cycling"? GMAFB.
You really think helmet use is a fair comparison? That making the ride harder is somehow the same as going back to the days of riding without a helmet? You really think requiring riders to ride 6-7 hours a day (after which they get sports massages/top level nutrition/etc) is on the same thing as asking them to ride without a helmet? Straw man much?
If you do think so, then you exemplify what I mean about an overall culture which is responsible for the [strike 2] of pretty much everything, where "inconvenient" and "dangerous" are used interchangeably.
I am not an expert - I have an opinion, just as everyone else does. But I dont go around pretending that my point of view is the only correct one and that the other party has nothing valid about what they think. You can choose to believe one side or the other and at the same time accept that the opposing point of view has some validity. Arguing opinions is one thin - but when you start making statements that completely dismiss the opinion of the race director of the Giro on nothing other than "I say so", then I have to ask why "I say so" carries any weight.
Look at the history and the genesis of Grand Tours. They were meant to be epic rides, the ultimate test of endurance and willpower and all the other cliches. So now, riders are complaining about having to spend a couple of hours in a bus, getting the latest nutrition and massages while they are transferred to/from their hotel rooms. Sure, it is inconvenient. But the "death of professional cycling"? GMAFB.
You really think helmet use is a fair comparison? That making the ride harder is somehow the same as going back to the days of riding without a helmet? You really think requiring riders to ride 6-7 hours a day (after which they get sports massages/top level nutrition/etc) is on the same thing as asking them to ride without a helmet? Straw man much?
If you do think so, then you exemplify what I mean about an overall culture which is responsible for the [strike 2] of pretty much everything, where "inconvenient" and "dangerous" are used interchangeably.
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05-30-11, 04:26 PM
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If your point was that the giro might have been better if a, b, or c, then maybe I already got the point.
But your point was that the director is "the biggest idiot in professional cycling".
Excuse me for not "getting" that point.
But, actually, I "got" your point, I just disagreed with it... because it's patently one dimensional, inflammatory, and yes, retar*ed.
Having 20/20 hindsight doesn't make you a genius and him an idiot. If you had opened your pontificating orifice BEFORE the race, then perhaps you would be worth listening to. Where was all the controversy BEFORE the race?
You sir, would be the biggest idiot in professional cycling, for making such a retar*ed unproductive statement, were that you were actually in professional cycling and not just arm chair quarterbacking on Monday.
But your point was that the director is "the biggest idiot in professional cycling".
Excuse me for not "getting" that point.
But, actually, I "got" your point, I just disagreed with it... because it's patently one dimensional, inflammatory, and yes, retar*ed.
Having 20/20 hindsight doesn't make you a genius and him an idiot. If you had opened your pontificating orifice BEFORE the race, then perhaps you would be worth listening to. Where was all the controversy BEFORE the race?
You sir, would be the biggest idiot in professional cycling, for making such a retar*ed unproductive statement, were that you were actually in professional cycling and not just arm chair quarterbacking on Monday.
05-30-11, 04:26 PM
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05-30-11, 04:40 PM
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Considering the Ignoramus Factor so prevalent in this thread, that should be easy for you to understand.
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05-30-11, 04:42 PM
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You don't have to be a pro to crack smiles of derision in bicycle racing. That starts @ the Cat 3/4 level.
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05-30-11, 04:46 PM
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As for that idiotic '20-20 hindsight' crack, I'm also confident that the best teams in the world may well have had an inkling how stupid the Giro route/logistics were, but they had no choice, they were committed to the race. Then once they're in the cluster fark event, their world class riders are shattered by the dumb route and their staffs are frazzled by the stupid transfers, then it really hits home how stupefyingly moronic Zomengan's thinking really was on all of this.
Good grief some of the comments here are just over the top dumb. Even for the 41. And that's saying something right there.
Good grief some of the comments here are just over the top dumb. Even for the 41. And that's saying something right there.
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05-30-11, 04:47 PM
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05-30-11, 05:34 PM
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05-30-11, 06:07 PM
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Don't be silly. You would have to be a complete ignoramus to structure the Giro the way Zomengan did, to have that many impossibly difficult mountain stages, to include a descent like Crostis, and then to characterize the top pros in the world as whiners and wussies for taking exception to all this, particularly in light of the death of a participant in the first week of the race.
Considering the Ignoramus Factor so prevalent in this thread, that should be easy for you to understand.
Your signature says all we need to know about you by the way.
Considering the Ignoramus Factor so prevalent in this thread, that should be easy for you to understand.
Your signature says all we need to know about you by the way.
05-30-11, 06:38 PM
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Turn pro cycling over to the guys who run the NFL. You know, sports suits who generally can shoot straight (the current inevitable labor dispute notwithstanding). And then see what happens. Not everything the UCI does is wrong, but moves like banning race radio, major race organizers who imperil rider safety and diminish a great race like the Giro with stupid course selection and race logistics, etc, that stuff hurts the sport. Biological passports, zero tolerance for doping by corporate sponsors, etc., that's all great. Please note the leading role some American sponsored teams are taking in this latter regard. Please note how well organized the Amgen Tour of California is.
It's common sense. They lack that in certain areas in Europe, we lack that in certain areas in the USA.
It's common sense. They lack that in certain areas in Europe, we lack that in certain areas in the USA.
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05-30-11, 08:02 PM
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Not to derail this thread but to move on to a siding so to speak.. I have no problem with banning radios. The inevitable capture of the breakaway in the last few 100 meters because of the mathematical ability of the DS sitting in his car was both boring and anti-climatic.
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05-30-11, 08:28 PM
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Don't be silly. You would have to be a complete ignoramus to structure the Giro the way Zomengan did, to have that many impossibly difficult mountain stages, to include a descent like Crostis, and then to characterize the top pros in the world as whiners and wussies for taking exception to all this, particularly in light of the death of a participant in the first week of the race.
Considering the Ignoramus Factor so prevalent in this thread, that should be easy for you to understand.
Your signature says all we need to know about you by the way.
Considering the Ignoramus Factor so prevalent in this thread, that should be easy for you to understand.
Your signature says all we need to know about you by the way.
What's it say about me? That I'm a pompous jackass and that I don't really care what morons think about me? Wow, did you figure that out all on your own? Because I was obviously going out of my way to conceal it.
05-30-11, 09:26 PM
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Here are the stats
Giro 2010 --- Giro 2011
distance 3485 km --- 3525 km
winner time 87 H 44 m --- 84 H 05 m
starters 198 --- 207
Finishers 139 (70%) --- 159 (77%)
was it too hard? hardly...
ask David Millar if it was too hard for him, ask any of the top 20...
ask Kruijswijk if it was too hard
ask Kiriyienka if it was too hard
There are 2 1/2 Grand Tours every yr. They are meant to test the best overall.
The Giro seems to accomplish that.
Certainly there were plenty of challenges to all those who contested the top standings...
IMO
The Giro was great! The riders were awesome!
The stages were epic!
Personally I don;t even watch the sprinter stages. Total yawn.
Watch a herd go 28-30 mph for 140 miles, all knowing that somewhere nicely tucked into the middle of the field are 12 guys of which one will certainly take the sprint, is ludicrous. They all do it to get it over with and get onto the next stage...
Fine in a one day Circuit race, but out of place in a Grand Tour. The TDF is too full of that crap.
People remember Andy Hampsten's Giro, they remember the hottly contested Giro where Menchov crashed a number of times, especially in the wet TT and when he got up and still rode to the victory.
Leave 'watered down' for the American Education system
The Giro needs to remain epic
The TDF and the Vuelta need to take lessons ...
They do need to work to improve logostics even more... less hardship for everyone, more focus on the race.
Rider safety should always be a highest priority - and with last minute changes this yr, I think the race admin has shown their ability to adapt. How riders handle it, well that's always a question.
When radio choreographed team racing becomes more difficult, the audacious, courageous and smart riders will have more advantage and racing will become better and more exciting, I can;t wait...
Kudos to Contador, a great champion, one who might do the 3 this yr.
Kudos to all the jersey winners, especially Stefano Garzelli
Kudos to Rodriguez and Rujano for hanging tough and battling whenever they had the chance.
Kudos to all the finishers and all those who gave it their all
Boos to Cav and the other strap hangers ....
May is the best month, can't wait for next yr
Giro 2010 --- Giro 2011
distance 3485 km --- 3525 km
winner time 87 H 44 m --- 84 H 05 m
starters 198 --- 207
Finishers 139 (70%) --- 159 (77%)
was it too hard? hardly...
ask David Millar if it was too hard for him, ask any of the top 20...
ask Kruijswijk if it was too hard
ask Kiriyienka if it was too hard
There are 2 1/2 Grand Tours every yr. They are meant to test the best overall.
The Giro seems to accomplish that.
Certainly there were plenty of challenges to all those who contested the top standings...
IMO
The Giro was great! The riders were awesome!
The stages were epic!
Personally I don;t even watch the sprinter stages. Total yawn.
Watch a herd go 28-30 mph for 140 miles, all knowing that somewhere nicely tucked into the middle of the field are 12 guys of which one will certainly take the sprint, is ludicrous. They all do it to get it over with and get onto the next stage...
Fine in a one day Circuit race, but out of place in a Grand Tour. The TDF is too full of that crap.
People remember Andy Hampsten's Giro, they remember the hottly contested Giro where Menchov crashed a number of times, especially in the wet TT and when he got up and still rode to the victory.
Leave 'watered down' for the American Education system
The Giro needs to remain epic
The TDF and the Vuelta need to take lessons ...
They do need to work to improve logostics even more... less hardship for everyone, more focus on the race.
Rider safety should always be a highest priority - and with last minute changes this yr, I think the race admin has shown their ability to adapt. How riders handle it, well that's always a question.
When radio choreographed team racing becomes more difficult, the audacious, courageous and smart riders will have more advantage and racing will become better and more exciting, I can;t wait...
Kudos to Contador, a great champion, one who might do the 3 this yr.
Kudos to all the jersey winners, especially Stefano Garzelli
Kudos to Rodriguez and Rujano for hanging tough and battling whenever they had the chance.
Kudos to all the finishers and all those who gave it their all
Boos to Cav and the other strap hangers ....
May is the best month, can't wait for next yr