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    SRAM Apex (1050) vs. Rival (1070) Cassette

    What's the difference between the two? I've read a few reports that they are virtually identical, and have very similar weights. I'm about to order a bike and they ran out of 11-28 1070 cassettes, but offered to put in an 11-28 1050. Just wondering how much I'm missing out on with this 'downgrade'

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    Thanks for linking my old thread. Was going to have to go out and try to find it. There is essentially no difference. The gears themselves are the same ones on both.

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    Why do they even bother making a 1050 and 1070 if they are so close in design, weight, and function?

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    I think Apex vs Rival weight difference is more than Ultegra vs Dura-Ace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by globecanvas View Post
    I think Apex vs Rival weight difference is more than Ultegra vs Dura-Ace.
    Funny thing is you can go read the thread out there and see the exact weight difference yourself instead of guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djpfine View Post
    Why do they even bother making a 1050 and 1070 if they are so close in design, weight, and function?
    Why do they make a White version of Apex in addition to the black version and why do they have a Red, a Black and a Yellow version of Red when they are the same design, weight, and function?

    ...I'm guessing it's so that the forums will have something to talk about. I'm in a punchy mood tonight after having wrestled some wheels for longer than it should have taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djpfine View Post
    Why do they even bother making a 1050 and 1070 if they are so close in design, weight, and function?
    So they have an excuse to ave a higher profit margin on one that they more people will buy because it's "lighter".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
    Funny thing is you can go read the thread out there and see the exact weight difference yourself instead of guessing.
    From their respective web sites, for 11-23 cassettes.

    Apex 250g
    Rival 210g
    Ultegra 209g
    Dura-Ace 163g


    So, roughly similar spec differences (40g for SRAM vs 46g for Shimano), though as the linked thread above says, the meaasured difference could be less. The spec weight difference between Ultegra and Dura-Ace is more than I thought, I recalled seeing a figure more like 15g, but either that was for older generations of Shimano or my memory is bad. Or, the measured difference could be much less than the spec, just like SRAM ... though it's easier to believe SRAM overstates the spec weight of Apex, their bottom-of-the-line, than to believe Shimano overstates the spec weight of Ultegra.

    (IMO lame product line names by both companies .. "Apex" means the very highest but it's their lowest line, "Ultegra" implies "ultimate" but it's their penultimate line, etc.)

    (PS I am amazed every time at how terrible Shimano's web site is.)
    Last edited by globecanvas; 06-16-11 at 06:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djpfine View Post
    What's the difference between the two? I've read a few reports that they are virtually identical, and have very similar weights. I'm about to order a bike and they ran out of 11-28 1070 cassettes, but offered to put in an 11-28 1050. Just wondering how much I'm missing out on with this 'downgrade'
    The apex one will probably last longer. Wait....I'm on my 4th season on the same 1070...different chain....same cassette(s).

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