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Old 07-04-11, 04:02 PM   #1
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Best way to move cleats to new shoes

Is there a trick to keeping your cleat in the same position when you transfer them to new shoes? Would marking the cleat where the screws are make any sense? I'm going from a Pearl Izumi shoe to a Sidi. My Peals have markings on the soles but obviously that doesn't help much.
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Going from one type of shoe to another is going to be nearly impossible to keep in the same spot. Cleat position is one of those things that I personally think show be revisited a few times here and there, and this sounds like a great time to do that with a fitter. Just tell them you wanna get your cleats adjusted to the new shows. Bring your old shoes with the cleats on them before removing them.
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I'll milk that year of free re-fits then.
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Yeah, that can be a tricky one. Especially if your going to a shoe with a different sole. I'd say marking your cleats is a very good idea. I also use a straight edge to get the cleat as parallel to the center line of the shoe as possible.
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I'm just about to have to figure this out myself.

My current shoes are about fifteen years old (two pairs of Shimanos I rotated) and I've got a pair of Sidis on the way I'm hoping are gonna fit.

My first Look cleats were fixed- no rotation and the LBS had this fitting device that was used to get them set for my stroke. This was on a pair of Nike road shoes if you can imagine such a thing. When the floating cleats came out it seemed the LBS's just quit fitting the things.

I used a Sharpie to outline the old Delta cleats on the Nikes and when the Nikes were worn out I spent a bit of time trying to replicate the placement on the new shoes. As I remember I got pretty close but had to tweak it a couple of times.

The Keos threw me a little because the shape was different but they did add a spindle mark which helped.

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It can be a little tricky and might require using feel/trial and error in getting set the way you like. You can certainly get it close, say, within a mm or 2 of good. Then you go with feel and adjust. Fitter help is not a crazy idea at all.
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I can't find the stupid thing now, but just a day or two ago I saw a tool that was a cleat jig. It was basically a sheet of plastic with two holes for the cleats and a then a grid of lines and measurements. You loosen the cleat screws each cleat moves, put them in the hole, then set up the shoe so it is in the right spot. I can't for the life of me remember what it was called, but such a thing exists, and/or wouldn't be too difficult to replicate on your own. It was like $25.
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Mavic has such a tool, but I'm not sure you could use it to replicate across 2 different shoes and different sole shapes.
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Easiest thing to do is simply make your best guess and adjust if necessary with the multitool you carry at all times anyway.
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1. Duct tape laser pointers to your shoes.
2. Ride your bike on your indoor trainer.
3. Mark the path of your feet as you pedal.
4. Remove your old cleats.
5. Never mind.
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1. Duct tape laser pointers to your shoes.
2. Ride your bike on your indoor trainer.
3. Mark the path of your feet as you pedal.
4. Remove your old cleats.
5. Never mind.
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1. Duct tape laser pointers to your shoes.
2. Ride your bike on your indoor trainer.
3. Mark the path of your feet as you pedal.
4. Remove your old cleats.
5. Never mind.

I want some of what you're drinking...

Congrats on the Sidi's Jen, you're gonna love 'em!!
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Congrats on the Sidi's Jen, you're gonna love 'em!!
I'm excited, they have a high bling factor.
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Mark in the old shoe where the ball if the feet is (side if the shoe) using a caliper, mark the ball of the foot in the new shoe now.

If you are using look pedals, those have a line in the back, now measure from the line to the ball of the foot in the old shoe. Take the cleat and put it in the new shoe, use the last distance to position the cleat in the new shoe. At least this way u will have the cleats around the same distance from the ball of the foot in the new shoe, now u need to mimic the angles if you have cleats angled or something.

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Did you get the Genius 6.6 in black? Those are pretty shiny.
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Ooo. Reptilianly awesome!

Trial and error is the best thing here. Start fresh, place the cleats on the Sidi's, then adjust from there. You can drive yourself crazy trying to be exact. Just note any differences in placement on your old shoes between left and right, and try and duplicate those differences on the new shoes. Know what I mean?
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Great-looking new shoes.

Compare and adjust until satisfied. Don't worry, be happy.

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Beyond the obvious comment of unscrew cleat from old shoe and reattach to new shoe...I was thinking about this, after doing something similar:


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Mark in the old shoe where the ball if the feet is (side if the shoe) using a caliper, mark the ball of the foot in the new shoe now.

If you are using look pedals, those have a line in the back, now measure from the line to the ball of the foot in the old shoe. Take the cleat and put it in the new shoe, use the last distance to position the cleat in the new shoe. At least this way u will have the cleats around the same distance from the ball of the foot in the new shoe, now u need to mimic the angles if you have cleats angled or something.

Good luck.
The other parameter I tried to gauge was the angle and positioning of the cleat relative to the heel-to-toe axis of the shoe. I don't have any fancy-schmancy techniques for this beyond holding the shoe up to eye level and trying to observe where the tip of the cleat points while looking straight down the sole of the shoe from the heel to the mid point of the toe box. That should give you a sense of how much toe-in/toe-out angle you currently run and whether you have you cleats closer to or further away from the pedal spindle.
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Most likely, when you install the cleats on the new shoes, and click in on a trainer, you will immediately notice if you need to adjust the cleats, or, one cleat.
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maybe it's just me but it doesn't seem that measuring the old shoe, measuring the new shoe will do you any good unless the 2 shoes have identical soles.

further, AIRC, the look memory tabs are intended for replacing cleats, not shoes.

+1 for test and adjust but if your LBS has the digital system, that seems to be the easiest. One of the shops here in Syracuse has one and I think they charge something like $30 bucks for it if you don't buy the equipment (pedals or shoes) from them and free if you do so if the shop you bought from doesn't have the system, maybe call around?
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