how to recover - I feel sick now
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impressive first rides. congrats on the new bike. do you use strobes front and rear? if not you might consider adding them. some kind of hi-viz clothing too.
regarding nutrition pre and post ride including drinks:
I've had good luck with:
a normal meal an hour or more prior to a ride
600 milligrams of vitamin B6
250 micrograms of B12
for all day rides: 250 milligrams magnesium (not more than this!)
for all day rides: potassium (can't find mine but a good solid dose)
a simple carb immediately before my ride (box of raisins or banana)
I salt my water (just enough so that it's barely noticeable)
I've been advised by an experienced rider to eat 1/4 PB&J sandwich occasionally during my ride.
I told him I would go 1.5 hrs w/o food and he said that was way too long
post ride I have a simple carbs cuz the muscles will suck it up and burn it off
also a protein rich meal or a liquid protein supplement or shake
post ride your muscles are starved for simple carbs and protein
in muscle building it is advised to take 48 hrs off for muscles to recover; repair and grow. if you're a new rider I suspect rest would be advised. most people don't realized how important rest is. once you reach a certain fitness and muscle mass level you can cycle every day. weight training though still requires 48 hrs rest between sessions using the same muscle groups
I can swim; bike; and/or run every day. but the weight training - uh uh - every 3 days for that
for all day rides I've had good luck with 1/2 turkey sandwich but the animal meat requires digestion so not too much at one sitting. i'm fond of the rear rack trunk cuz it helps carrying the extra food; etc. I've also noticed a great boost using a supplement like "muscle milk" in the middle of a 60 mile ride.
I never use Gatorade; prefer salted water but sometimes use iced tea in my bottles. an upset tummy may benefit from apple juice.
stay visible and keep researching nutrition. don't experiment with new foods on long rides. stick with what you know your body likes.
oh - also - after long rides these two things make a huge difference:
1- massage - this really works moving fluids around inside your tissues
2- 30 minute soak in a high concentration of Epsom salt bath. the magnesium osmotes (word?) through your skin tissue into your muscle tissue and helps them keep from cramping. I use 1 lb per tubful but I've heard pro athletes use up to 20 lbs per tubful!
regarding nutrition pre and post ride including drinks:
I've had good luck with:
a normal meal an hour or more prior to a ride
600 milligrams of vitamin B6
250 micrograms of B12
for all day rides: 250 milligrams magnesium (not more than this!)
for all day rides: potassium (can't find mine but a good solid dose)
a simple carb immediately before my ride (box of raisins or banana)
I salt my water (just enough so that it's barely noticeable)
I've been advised by an experienced rider to eat 1/4 PB&J sandwich occasionally during my ride.
I told him I would go 1.5 hrs w/o food and he said that was way too long
post ride I have a simple carbs cuz the muscles will suck it up and burn it off
also a protein rich meal or a liquid protein supplement or shake
post ride your muscles are starved for simple carbs and protein
in muscle building it is advised to take 48 hrs off for muscles to recover; repair and grow. if you're a new rider I suspect rest would be advised. most people don't realized how important rest is. once you reach a certain fitness and muscle mass level you can cycle every day. weight training though still requires 48 hrs rest between sessions using the same muscle groups
I can swim; bike; and/or run every day. but the weight training - uh uh - every 3 days for that
for all day rides I've had good luck with 1/2 turkey sandwich but the animal meat requires digestion so not too much at one sitting. i'm fond of the rear rack trunk cuz it helps carrying the extra food; etc. I've also noticed a great boost using a supplement like "muscle milk" in the middle of a 60 mile ride.
I never use Gatorade; prefer salted water but sometimes use iced tea in my bottles. an upset tummy may benefit from apple juice.
stay visible and keep researching nutrition. don't experiment with new foods on long rides. stick with what you know your body likes.
oh - also - after long rides these two things make a huge difference:
1- massage - this really works moving fluids around inside your tissues
2- 30 minute soak in a high concentration of Epsom salt bath. the magnesium osmotes (word?) through your skin tissue into your muscle tissue and helps them keep from cramping. I use 1 lb per tubful but I've heard pro athletes use up to 20 lbs per tubful!
Also 600 MG of B6??? " The DV for vitamin B6 is 2.0 milligrams (mg). " also "be aware that the Institute of Medicine recently established an upper tolerable limit of 100 mg per day for adults " it's also water soluble so you just pee out the rest. if it doesn't kill your kidneys first.
B12 DV% is 6 micrograms.. 250!?!?! *head, desk, head, desk,head, desk*
The DV for magnesium is 400 milligrams (10% in 1/2 cup rice, 10% in 1 c yogurt.. so there's 20% in her breakfast)
"However, frequent and excessive use of magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) or antacid remedies such as Milk
of Magnesia can eventually trigger a number of medical problems resulting from other minerals such as iron,
calcium, sodium, or potassium getting out of balance"
see.. &^*&*)(&^ moron's with no nutritional background trying to give advice.
OP sounds like you were dehydrated and that is about it. If you think you need extra nutritional advice you should ask your primary MD for a referral. I think you may want to experiment a bit with how much you eat while riding to see what makes you feel better and what makes it worse.
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I did a century a few days ago. I'm no athlete and did it in 6 hours. I took a single water bottle with me. Drank it. Stopped for a coke, gatorade and a chocolate bar. Rode on. Stopped for a Tuna sandwich, a coke, gatorade and filled the water bottle one last time at a park.
A small hamburger from McDonalds won't kill you. In fact you need some fat in your diet and it has protein too. A Big Mac meal? Not on a long ride.
If you are getting sick I bet you are simply out of shape. The only time I ever get sick exercising is when I am overdoing it after a period of inactivity like a long wet spell in the winter.
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I agree with this. OP said she was a new cyclist, but this doesn't mean she doesn't have a decent base level of fitness to work with. When I first started cycling, I was able to handle longer 30-50 mile rides every weekend right away. With that said, I didn't cycle every day, and rest days are important, though YMMV as to how many you want to take -- right now I take one rest day a week, do 20-30mi rides 4x a week, and two 50-60 mi rides Sat/Sun (if I don't have a race). I built up to that, though, and made sure to reduce mileage or stay off the bike if things started to hurt. Everyone is different, but as long as you listen to your body and stay hydrated, you should be good! Welcome to the addiction!
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Your body's not a car, it burns whatever you eat. Grease happens to be a calorie dense food. A few generations ago, beef tallow (fat) on bread was a great lunch for field workers. Lots of energy without weighing them down.
I ride to eat whatever and however much I want to.
I ride to eat whatever and however much I want to.
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That's going a bit far tommy.
Next I'll stop telling people to give advice on bike repairs since I'm a licensed mechanic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your burden, being a trained professional at level X is to provide advice that is better than complaining. If you want to complain you have to give a reasonable reply.
Next we will have a physician in here telling YOU to not give out advice since they are more qualified in their eyes to dole out advice.
Eat and drink what works for you, ride often. Enjoy. Avoid cars. Next.
Next I'll stop telling people to give advice on bike repairs since I'm a licensed mechanic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your burden, being a trained professional at level X is to provide advice that is better than complaining. If you want to complain you have to give a reasonable reply.
Next we will have a physician in here telling YOU to not give out advice since they are more qualified in their eyes to dole out advice.
Eat and drink what works for you, ride often. Enjoy. Avoid cars. Next.
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Oh, folks are quite well informed that your field of "expertise" is a scam. Go make up an elementary school menu.
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Banzai Giving poor medical advice is a lot different than giving poor mechanical advice. Especially when you start talking about supplements and stuff.
what works for some might really be wrong but doesn't bother that one person. Another person might be put in big trouble.
Gel and many bars are not that bad for you. They are small and convenient to pack with you. I wouldn't eat them around the house but for during a ride they are fine. I actually asked one of my old professors about Maltodextrin based stuff since she is well respected in the athletic nutrition field. She said there was nothing wrong with it.
you CAN bring and eat other "normal" foods and many mix that in with gel etc so you should listen to yourself and not disregard those products because you don't like them. Personally i like to have a gel flask handy for quick swigs on the go and then more normal stuff for snack breaks.
And if you read the OP more carefully she said she felt like ass afterward.. not during. This is a clear symptom of being dehydrated, not out of shape. she rode 110mi in 3 days off the couch. she has to be in decent shape to even want to get out on day 3.
what works for some might really be wrong but doesn't bother that one person. Another person might be put in big trouble.
Gel and many bars are not that bad for you. They are small and convenient to pack with you. I wouldn't eat them around the house but for during a ride they are fine. I actually asked one of my old professors about Maltodextrin based stuff since she is well respected in the athletic nutrition field. She said there was nothing wrong with it.
you CAN bring and eat other "normal" foods and many mix that in with gel etc so you should listen to yourself and not disregard those products because you don't like them. Personally i like to have a gel flask handy for quick swigs on the go and then more normal stuff for snack breaks.
And if you read the OP more carefully she said she felt like ass afterward.. not during. This is a clear symptom of being dehydrated, not out of shape. she rode 110mi in 3 days off the couch. she has to be in decent shape to even want to get out on day 3.
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That's going a bit far tommy.
Next I'll stop telling people to give advice on bike repairs since I'm a licensed mechanic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your burden, being a trained professional at level X is to provide advice that is better than complaining. If you want to complain you have to give a reasonable reply.
Next we will have a physician in here telling YOU to not give out advice since they are more qualified in their eyes to dole out advice.
Eat and drink what works for you, ride often. Enjoy. Avoid cars. Next.
Next I'll stop telling people to give advice on bike repairs since I'm a licensed mechanic. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Your burden, being a trained professional at level X is to provide advice that is better than complaining. If you want to complain you have to give a reasonable reply.
Next we will have a physician in here telling YOU to not give out advice since they are more qualified in their eyes to dole out advice.
Eat and drink what works for you, ride often. Enjoy. Avoid cars. Next.
Dietary saturated fat (abundant in, among other things, the beef tallow mentioned above) is not a preferred fuel source during aerobic exercise. The OP has abundant body fat stores (as do all humans) for this purpose (in fact, a virtually inexhaustible supply for the purpose of any single ride); more is not needed during or before a ride. Carbohydrate, however, is in short supply (stored in the muscles and liver as glycogen) and therefore necessarily obtained from food during longer rides. In fact, carbohydrate (specifically glucose) is required for the continued metabolism of stored body fat during exercise.
Is that better?
What "works for you" when it comes to nutrition is somewhat personal, sure. But everyone's basic physiology and nutrient metabolism is similar enough to say that eating a crapton of saturated fat in lieu of carbohydrate immediately before or during a ride is simply bad advice and scientifically refutable. Unnecessary (and unhealthy) at best; at worst, it could cause cramping and other GI distress as fat is far more difficult and slower to digest during exercise.
You'd likely call my advice (and my credentials) into question if I told the OP to grease her brake pads to stop the squealing noise they can occasionally make, right?
To the OP (and to amend your response) - Eat and drink primarily carbohydrate during rides (simpler carbs for more intense rides, you can get away with more complex carbs as well as some fat and protein at lower intensities), ride often. Enjoy. Avoid cars.
Next.
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I assume you have some formal training in, say, biochemistry? Or just read the latest "caveman diet plan" book?
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I did the exact same thing except all the miles doubled. That was the first time I had got myself off the couch so I was pretty much a pile of fat. First three days I felt fine. Then after a century(on my fourth ride) I just died. Really bad stomach problems, and I couldn't eat anything. I am 15(don't really think ahead too much ) so I just got myself a couple burgers and just stuffed them down my throat. That seemed to get my energy back up again. After a couple days of forcing myself to eat and drink I returned to my old state.
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Too many miles, too soon.
https://www.hammernutrition.com/downl...nghandbook.pdf
Doesn't have to be their brand of fuel either; nuun, clif, powerbar, accelerade, etc, or banana or fig newtons.
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https://www.hammernutrition.com/downl...nghandbook.pdf
Doesn't have to be their brand of fuel either; nuun, clif, powerbar, accelerade, etc, or banana or fig newtons.
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Just letting you know... Jack LaLanne died in January... Though he's probably still lifting weights and towing tugboats post-mortum..
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your body will not run as efficiently on garbage food as it will on a well thought out intake of proper food. You're crazy if you disagree.
You need to think of your food as fuel. When I turned the corner and realized this, I realized what foods maximize my performance, and what foods rip my body apart. A regular diet of fried chicken fingers and hamburgers won't get you anywhere.
Food is Fuel. If we could all start looking at food as fuel for our body’s instead of using it for comfort, stress, or a remedy to boredom.
You need to think of your food as fuel. When I turned the corner and realized this, I realized what foods maximize my performance, and what foods rip my body apart. A regular diet of fried chicken fingers and hamburgers won't get you anywhere.
Food is Fuel. If we could all start looking at food as fuel for our body’s instead of using it for comfort, stress, or a remedy to boredom.
Your body might just a be a motor, but mine is also the means for me to experience pleasure and pain. I can't imagine eating purely for nutritional purposes.
Presumably you only have sex for reproductive purposes, too.
OP: yeah, probably dehydration or just plain old fatigue. Have a rest day and well done on starting with a bang.
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What a joyless attitude! I'm sure you'll live to be 100 on a diet of fruit, nuts and brown rice six times a day; I'll continue to skip breakfast (except for my weekend fry-up), consume alcoholic drinks to excess, eat a wide range of food processed in various different ways, and ride my bike every day.
Your body might just a be a motor, but mine is also the means for me to experience pleasure and pain. I can't imagine eating purely for nutritional purposes.
Presumably you only have sex for reproductive purposes, too.
OP: yeah, probably dehydration or just plain old fatigue. Have a rest day and well done on starting with a bang.
Your body might just a be a motor, but mine is also the means for me to experience pleasure and pain. I can't imagine eating purely for nutritional purposes.
Presumably you only have sex for reproductive purposes, too.
OP: yeah, probably dehydration or just plain old fatigue. Have a rest day and well done on starting with a bang.
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Banzai Giving poor medical advice is a lot different than giving poor mechanical advice. Especially when you start talking about supplements and stuff.
what works for some might really be wrong but doesn't bother that one person. Another person might be put in big trouble.
Gel and many bars are not that bad for you. They are small and convenient to pack with you. I wouldn't eat them around the house but for during a ride they are fine. I actually asked one of my old professors about Maltodextrin based stuff since she is well respected in the athletic nutrition field. She said there was nothing wrong with it.
you CAN bring and eat other "normal" foods and many mix that in with gel etc so you should listen to yourself and not disregard those products because you don't like them. Personally i like to have a gel flask handy for quick swigs on the go and then more normal stuff for snack breaks.
And if you read the OP more carefully she said she felt like ass afterward.. not during. This is a clear symptom of being dehydrated, not out of shape. she rode 110mi in 3 days off the couch. she has to be in decent shape to even want to get out on day 3.
what works for some might really be wrong but doesn't bother that one person. Another person might be put in big trouble.
Gel and many bars are not that bad for you. They are small and convenient to pack with you. I wouldn't eat them around the house but for during a ride they are fine. I actually asked one of my old professors about Maltodextrin based stuff since she is well respected in the athletic nutrition field. She said there was nothing wrong with it.
you CAN bring and eat other "normal" foods and many mix that in with gel etc so you should listen to yourself and not disregard those products because you don't like them. Personally i like to have a gel flask handy for quick swigs on the go and then more normal stuff for snack breaks.
And if you read the OP more carefully she said she felt like ass afterward.. not during. This is a clear symptom of being dehydrated, not out of shape. she rode 110mi in 3 days off the couch. she has to be in decent shape to even want to get out on day 3.
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She's not responding....think the food police scared her away...
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