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Anybody go to the chiropractor?

Old 08-12-11, 10:25 AM
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I saw one a few times when my knee was hurting. The therapy did help plus it gave me some good ideas for Kinesio taping my legs which has also helped with strains. I saw him because my wife and daughter see him and he's helped them, he knows sports (he works on some of the Chargers and that's their livelyhood) and he knows physiology which as a cyclist, the more I know the less I'll get injured. According to him my insurance rocks so since I rarely get sick at least my premiums get some use. Do what works for you. GL
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Originally Posted by Mose
As far as I know, all states require PTs to have an actual Masters degree (I think it's always a Master of Science) and require a BSc prior to graduate/professional school. And now many states (MA being one of them) are requiring all PTs to have doctorates. My wife has a four year degree plus her DPT, which ordinarly takes an additional 5 years but she was in an accelerated program and went to school year round for 3.
You do have to have a Master's degree in PT, but you don't have to complete an undergraduate degree. So you can do the 3 years of PT after 3 years of undergraduate work. https://www.apta.org/PTEducation/Overview/
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Just another thing to consider, if you go to an Orthopedist, or Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation physician theire education consists of 4 years of undergraduate school, 4 years of medical school, and 4 years of internship/residency.

They will then prescribe physical therapy to be done under their guidance by a PT that has 2 years of undergraduate school and 3 years of PT training.

Conversely, a chiropractor traditionally has only been required to have 2 years of undergrad then 4 years of Chiropractic.

Also consider that no major university in the United States offers a Chiropractic degree. Perhaps there's a reason?
i would trust my body to someone who has studied the human body for 4 years instead of studying medicine for 4 years.
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Chiropractry is based on the theory of "subluxations" (spinal misalignments) for which there is no real evidence.(except x-rays, MRIs, CAT scans, CT scans and really any other form of diagnostic equipment we have today) Cracking your back seems to have theraputic benefits for some, but there no evidence that chiropractors realign anything.(again,except x-rays, MRIs, CAT scans, CT scans and really any other form of diagnostic equipment we have today) In fact, if they were able to change your spinal aligment by twisting your back, that would be very dangerous. In fact neck and upper back adjustments are dangerous and can cause stroke due to damage of the vertebral artery.(an adjustment isnt just "popping" the spine. movement happens with or without the pop.)

BTW, osteopaths (doctors with the DO degree) have the same training as MDs, and do all the same things MDs do. However, the practice of osteopathic manipulation (OMM or OMT), which the vast majority of most practicing DOs do not use, is no more evidence based than chiropractry and much of it seems like complete mysticism to me, although like chiropracty, some patients report theraputic benefits. All DOs are trained in osteopathic manipulation but most of them abandon it early in their careers and basically act like MDs. Most DOs are fine, but I would avoid any DO who claims to be able to cure all your ills with OMM.
im a massage therapist and i work with chiropractors. i agree if you have been to one that only wanted to adjust you a few times to make pain go away they suck. if you find a good chiropractor, they can and will realign your spine and help your entire nervous system and body function at a higher level. chiropractic isnt suppose to be about pain relief (most do pain relief treatments just to make money) it should be about eliminating subluxation and restoring nerveflow. im lucky enough to work with good docs in a maximized living office, yall should research and find one and go there. i have seen a ton of before and after xrays with enormous amounts of improvement in my 5 years of working there. true, not everyone will have a perfect spine when they are done but almost 100% have visibly improved xrays.
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So anybody go to a witch doctor? I have a curse I'm trying to get rid of, and I'd like to make sure I sacrifice my goat to the correct ancestor, otherwise I don't think it'll work.
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All the input is wonderful. My initial pain is completly gone. This visit would just be for the pleasure of pressure release you recive when the bones pop.
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Originally Posted by c_mack9
i would trust my body to someone who has studied the human body for 4 years instead of studying medicine for 4 years.

Point is that the PT has at least as much training in what they're doing as the Chiropractor, and they're working with a physician that has a whole lot more training than the Chiropractor.

By the way, have you ever met a Chiropractor that had the grades and test scores to get into medical school and chose to be a chiropractor instead?
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I'm married to an Osteopath and I go to a chiropractor. I think what the chiropractor has done has had a positive effect. Then again, I have a very good chiropractor. He doesn't have an X-ray machine, unlike most of them. It's obvious that he can identify what is out of whack by feel.

It's interesting that there is a PT/MD approach to the same problems, but my impression is that finding a person that is willing to treat the low-level issues that chiropractic treatments address would be extremely difficult.
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I get a similar effect by just grabbing the top of a sturdy door (near the hinges), slowly take the weight of my feet (toes just touching the floor) and hanging, trying to relax everything for a minute. It's free and helps when I do it. ........... Think I'll go do it now .... aahhhhh
Yeah I've tried various ways of hanging from things, including grabbing onto stuff, hanging from an I-beam in my basement with straps under my armpits, using my elbows to hang off of a corner of the kitchen counter... couple of problems with that: 1) I could never find a way to do it for very long because it always hurts something (hands, elbows, armpits, etc)... (maybe for people well under 200 lb it doesn't hurt as much) and 2) it's very hard to relax your back muscles sufficiently to let your back expand if you're straining to hang onto something, and 3) hanging from hands only uses the weight of your legs for a lower back issue, vs. hanging from feet which uses the weight of the torso, head, and arms.

Anyway that's why I sprung for the inversion table... although I haven't used it enough yet to justify the cost of maybe $300 or so, I have zero regrets because I know there will be a next time.

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"i have seen a ton of before and after xrays with enormous amounts of improvement in my 5 years of working there. true, not everyone will have a perfect spine when they are done but almost 100% have visibly improved xrays. "


I have seen lots of these chiropractic X-rays, usually with pencil lines drawn over the bones showing curvatures and misalignements that they interpret as pathology. The hilarious thing is that you could retake these X-rays with the patients shifted a little bit in the opposite direction and the X-ray alignment would be the exact opposite. There is nothing wrong with chiropractors doing physical therapy but they should ban them from using these for-profit only X-ray machines. Of course, then you could just save money and go to a Physical Therapist.

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My experience with one chiropractor was positive. I had been lifting heavy at the gym for a while and began to have some problems, primarily sciatica. I was talking to my trainer and he pointed to a gentleman who was in the middle of his training routine and said "go see that guy." He allowed me to interrupt and after I described my issue he suggested that I come to his office. I should note that he was a sports chiro. None of the new age quackery that so many chiropractors seem to adhere to. His manipulations worked well for me. There was some immediate relief followed by further gradual improvement after a couple of weeks of unchecked torment.

Note that I mentioned that the experience with that one chiro was positive. I also have had first hand experience with the new age quackery I previously described. This one used the x-ray machine, which the first did not use, then went on to tell me that I had major vertebral fusion in my neck that if not treated would only get worse and would pretty much render me immobile later in life. He then spoke of a patient who could have had what was terminal heart disease cured if he had undergone manipulations over time. At this, I was done. I left and did not return.
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Originally Posted by Mose
Going to a good PT is not at all like going to a chiropractor. Also, another nice thing about PTs is that they're actually trained to recognize the limitations of their own treatments and know when it's appropriate to go see an ortho instead.
Yes it is, Lots of the same techniques and equipment. I have experience with both and it's clear that you don't have any experience with a good chiro.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
You do have to have a Master's degree in PT, but you don't have to complete an undergraduate degree. So you can do the 3 years of PT after 3 years of undergraduate work. https://www.apta.org/PTEducation/Overview/
Ah, thanks for taking the time to look that up. I was going to ask my wife when I got home. There was a fair amount of resistance for obvious reasons I guess when MA adopted the DPT regulation (all currently licensed PTs were grandfathered) but after seeing the responsibility she has in her current position, I think it was a good choice. I do know PTs work their asses off in school. She spent an entire summer semester doing gross anatomy, complete with cadaver disection, same as all the pre-meds, except with much more focus on skeletal, nervous and muscular systems, obviously. Including sectioning the skull.

Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Point is that the PT has at least as much training in what they're doing as the Chiropractor, and they're working with a physician that has a whole lot more training than the Chiropractor.

By the way, have you ever met a Chiropractor that had the grades and test scores to get into medical school and chose to be a chiropractor instead?
I would say the PT training is far superior in that it is soundly based in science, plus there's often more of it. I'm not saying there aren't bad PTs out there either, just like anything else. But I wouldn't trust a chiropractor as far as I could through one.
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They seem to vary hugely.

Some do have advanced degrees, correspondingly know their limitations, and know when they can help you feel better, but have no problem sending you to a doctor when you need one.

Then some are complete quacks.

I think some good ones do blur the lines with physical therapy, but as others have said, why not just go to a real physical therapist instead.
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Originally Posted by rogerstg
Yes it is, Lots of the same techniques and equipment. I have experience with both and it's clear that you don't have any experience with a good chiro.
Because they're not necessary, at best. It's like... here, you can either eat this piece of cake I may or may not have sneezed on, or you can eat this other identical piece of cake that I didn't sneeze on and have it with some ice cream too.
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lots of bad info and unfounded bias in here... not really worth addressing it point by silly point but some things to consider:

1 All practitioners in the medical field fall somewhere on a continuum between "bad and good." An MD label does not by default make someone more competent.
2 If you think DCs are not medically educated think again and review their educational requirements in relation to MDs and PT/DPTs etc.
3 If you think DCs are not "doctors" then ask yourself what the D stands for (yes I know is academic but then return to step 2).
4 If you think DCs are quacks then ask yourself why probably every top orthopedic center in the country has a DC (or more) on staff.

On a personal note regarding the "go to a DO instead;" I did that once and because he could script out meds that was clearly his go to approach. Not good medicine to do a couple adjusting moves and then write a script for pain and swelling. But I'm not silly enough to think "well that means DOs are pharma quacks..."
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3 If you think DCs are not "doctors" then ask yourself what the D stands for (yes I know is academic but then return to step 2).
I guess Doctor Dre can fix your back, too.

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what i dont understand is all the negativity towards chiro. worst case scenario is that it doesnt work for your body. have you seen a drug ad lately? a 1 min commercial has 20 seconds praising all the wonders of said miracle drug then 40 seconds of all the negative side effects, most including death. look up some of the american medical association's own stats, the medical community kills americans at an alarming rate and people just keep going to them and americans just keep getting sicker. this country's health is a joke and the healthcare system is even worse, so i'll stick with chiro, massage, nutrition, and exercise and avoiod seeing a "real" doctor any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by mihlbach
Chiropractry is based on the theory of "subluxations" (spinal misalignments) for which there is no real evidence.
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(except x-rays, MRIs, CAT scans, CT scans and really any other form of diagnostic equipment we have today)
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i have seen a ton of before and after xrays with enormous amounts of improvement in my 5 years of working there. true, not everyone will have a perfect spine when they are done but almost 100% have visibly improved xrays.
I think the point is that chiropractors think that a small misalignment of the spine can cause problems with internal organs. I'm not sure how an x-ray showing a straightened spine would provide evidence for anything other than a straightened spine.
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Originally Posted by kleinboogie
I saw one a few times when my knee was hurting. The therapy did help plus it gave me some good ideas for Kinesio taping my legs which has also helped with strains. I saw him because my wife and daughter see him and he's helped them, he knows sports (he works on some of the Chargers and that's their livelyhood) and he knows physiology which as a cyclist, the more I know the less I'll get injured. According to him my insurance rocks so since I rarely get sick at least my premiums get some use. Do what works for you. GL
This mirrors my experience too. I hadn't gone for over 10 years, then three years ago when my knee was hurting from running - and having gone to PT's and doctors (I work in higher ed, the dean of the school of kinesiology is a colleague) and generous use of Kinesio tape, decided to go to my wife's chiro. He said my knee problems was a symptom and not the cause; rather, my left hip was out of whack. Got that aligned, waited a few days, then ran painlessly ever since.....until I injured my ITB because of a stupid dog! But that's another story.

And no, I haven't been duped onto a "maintenance plan". I've been to the chiro just a few times since.
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I go to a chiropractor, but not for manipulations. He specializes in Active Release Therapy, and works on my hamstrings.
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what i dont understand is all the negativity towards chiro. worst case scenario is that it doesnt work for your body. have you seen a drug ad lately? a 1 min commercial has 20 seconds praising all the wonders of said miracle drug then 40 seconds of all the negative side effects, most including death. look up some of the american medical association's own stats, the medical community kills americans at an alarming rate and people just keep going to them and americans just keep getting sicker. this country's health is a joke and the healthcare system is even worse, so i'll stick with chiro, massage, nutrition, and exercise and avoiod seeing a "real" doctor any day of the week.
...says the massage therapist who works with a chiropractor.
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Originally Posted by c_mack9
what i dont understand is all the negativity towards chiro. worst case scenario is that it doesnt work for your body.

this country's health is a joke and the healthcare system is even worse, so i'll stick with chiro, massage, nutrition, and exercise and avoiod seeing a "real" doctor any day of the week.
The worst case scenario is that once past 50 yrs old you avoid going to a "real" doctor for a routine colonoscopy and miss a cancer diagnosis which could have easily been picked up by a scan. By the time you feel any symptoms from colon cancer it's often too late to treat effectively.
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I had a back pain that wouldn't go away, and numbness in my arm. I went to a recommended chiropractor and politely told him I did not want to be one of those people who had to keep coming back. Fix me, or send me elsewhere.

He X-rayed, etc. He told me what the problem was, he told me how many sessions it would take to completely fix it (4 max). He did three sessions in 8 days, and I've never been back. That was over 5 years ago.
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The worst case scenario is that once past 50 yrs old you avoid going to a "real" doctor for a routine colonoscopy and miss a cancer diagnosis which could have easily been picked up by a scan. By the time you feel any symptoms from colon cancer it's often too late to treat effectively.
Now that's silly. I'm looking forward to my colonscopy in a few weeks, and I'm 46.

And the rest of you guys, make sure to get your prostate regularly checked once your over 40!
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Now that's silly. I'm looking forward to my colonscopy in a few weeks, and I'm 46.
Enjoy! I waited until I was 49.
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