AzTallRider

Anyone running these that cares to provide some feedback on them?

Any other aero clinchers, in that general depth range, I should consider?

I'd be using them for training (hence the clincher requirement), and for the rare occasions when there is too much wind in a race for my 58 tub's. I'd like to keep the weight <1500g or thereabouts. I weigh 195#.

TIA...

datlas 

I have them.

I like them.

Not that it means much, but PCAD feels the same way.

I would say if you are looking for medium-depth carbon clinchers and your budget is under $1k, they are your best bet.

I wrote an in-depth review in that "other" forum you may wish to read it.

Grasschopper

Keep an eye on Bonktown. They have had the Reynolds DV3K for like $870 (shipped) for a little while now...I scored a set of these last night. 45mm deep carbon clincher retails for $1799.

M_Wales

https://youtu.be/VckGZ3f9rdE

AzTallRider

Saw that... thanks! Headed for the other reviews now.

learnmedia

Take a look at Boyd wheels. IIRC, the rim is sourced from the same Taiwanese maufacturer. Different hubs and spokes though as well as nipples (Williams are alloy, Boyds are brass).

You can't go wrong with either.

Silvercivic27

Wow, hope that's not you because that guy seemed like an idiot.

patentcad

I like my 38's. They are very tough to mount new tires on (particularly Conti 4000's) but I'm starting to get the hang of it. After you mount the new tire for the first time and it stretches out overnight it's OK. I think I have to start pre-stretching those 4000's by mounting them on an easier rim and hanging it up on a wall until I'm ready to mount it on some of these deep dish rims that are a huge pain in the ass. But overall great hoops, light, somewhat aero, they ride great.

M_Wales

Ahhh no...

Jed19

Just buy the Kool-Stop tire mounting thingie. I bought mine for $10.

dayday82

Greame is no idiot.

Grasschopper

Maybe he isn't an idiot but he sounded like a total shill for Williams. I couldn't get through the first min of the video when he was talking about how great the system 30 wheels were.

jamesdak 

But they are!

Mine have been trouble free for a few thousand hard miles of daily use on rough chipseal roads. Banged a few potholes at considerable speeds with nary a problem.

Grasschopper

I'm glad they work well for you...but the fact is they are Kinlin XR-300s laced to some hub they got branded with their name on it. I built myself a set of Kinlin XR-300s laced to Formula hubs with more spokes like their 30x and they weigh 100g less than the system 30. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Williams wheels, I'm sure they are very good, my point is this guys made it sound like they were handed down from the heavens or something.

AzTallRider

Okay, my attempts to find your review are a big fail.

patentcad

I've had two sets of Williams wheels. Great product, support is second to none. Can't go wrong with those wheels. Paid $999 for my first set, ebay'd them a year later for over $600, so decent resale value as well.

AzTallRider

Boyd lists a 195# rider limit; Williams lists 200#. I weigh 195. Would hate to have a warranty issue and be told I was over the limit.

AzTallRider

Thanks for the feedback...

learnmedia

I see, though it would be interesting to learn how builders like Williams and Boyd arrive at such numbers and whether that 5 lbs. difference in weight limit is negligible or not. Wheel weight between the two is very close. Spoke count is the same. Lacing too. Email Boyd and ask him. Like Williams (my son loves his 58s), Boyd's customer service is great. Responds promptly.

coachboyd

The 195 pound weight limit is for our 20/24 hole option. We now have a 24/28hole option availabe that we are recommending for all riders over 185 pounds. With the higher spoke count the weight limit will be more around 230 pounds depending on the type of terrain you are riding on.

And we definitely don't look for ways to get out of honoring a warranty. If something were to happen that shouldn't, we'll warranty it.

AzTallRider

Thanks for jumping in - it's great when a company participates in discussions about their products.

DropDeadFred

I can't hear this stupid idiot...the audio sucks...

jamesdak 

I hear you, I'm just kidding around. There were main quality wheels in my price range to pick from and the decision to go with Williams was based on a discount from Keith, his awesome responses to my questions, and the immediate availability of the wheels. I think it was something like 2 days from payment until I had the wheels delivered to my house.

I've actually replaced these on my main bike with a handbuilt set of Zen Cycles wheels that are a fair bit lighter. The Williams are now rocking on my LeMond which serves as a backup/rain/night bike.

jamesdak 

I hear you, I'm just kidding around. There were many quality wheels in my price range to pick from and the decision to go with Williams was based on a discount from Keith, his awesome responses to my questions, and the immediate availability of the wheels. I think it was something like 2 days from payment until I had the wheels delivered to my house.

I've actually replaced these on my main bike with a handbuilt set of Zen Cycles wheels that are a fair bit lighter. The Williams are now rocking on my LeMond which serves as a backup/rain/night bike.

datlas 

It's okay, the forum in question is www.socialcyclists.org, I have cut/pasted the review for you and all to see:


I have about 5 months and 5000 miles on these. Paired them with Continental GP4000s tires.


Cost is just under 1K. Probably the best sub 1K all-carbon aero clincher.


Communication with Keith Williams is excellent. Came quickly and well packaged. Comes with QR skewers (I got some KCNC Ti ones from eBay for bling/light weight). Come with 2 sets (8 total) brake pads. Very easy to switch out brake pads, do NOT use your original/stock brake pads with carbon hoops!


Getting the tires on was a BEAR. I had to have my wife help hold the bead while I pried on with a plastic tire lever. Ended up snapping two tire levers but those were cheap Performance.


I am not 100% sold on the ceramic bearings but they run smooth.


The Aero benefits are most notable at speeds above say 23-25MPH. Very noticeable on fast descents.


The wheels are still as true as when they came.


Handle fine in crosswinds.


No Major complaints.


Minor complaints:


1. Tough to mount tires.
2. Braking is not as good as with alloy rims. This is true for all carbon hoops, though.


I chose 38mm depth because I am only 145 pounds and was concerned that deeper sections would not handle well in crosswinds.


If you have any questions, feel free to ask!


Doug a/k/a datlas