ntjp

I can't find a comparison on these, and would like to hear some opinions. I'm about to buy a new bike and these are the contenders I've narrowed it down to.

If I go for Giant it will be the TCR Advanced SL 0 - but not with Dura Ace DI2 as that makes it too expensive. Instead it will be full dura ace 7900.

If I go for Pinarello it will be the Dogma 60.1 with full dura ace 7900.

I prefer the looks of the pinarello (like a lot), but I don't know if the Giant might be better to ride (and that's the most important thing - I won't be admiring the bike when I'm riding it).

So.............. all opinions welcome

ColinL

Surely you've ridden both? I don't think I'd buy a bike this expensive without test rides.

Interesting comment about Di2, btw. What made you choose mechanical DA 7900 over Ultegra Di2?

ravenmore

One thing that was a deal breaker for Pinarello with me was that they didn't have replaceable derailer hangers. You break the derailer hanger and the frame is done (well maybe someone like Parlee could fix it). I saw it happen to a friend of mine's bike. Maybe they changed it since though - I haven't shopped for bikes in a while.

ntjp

That doesn't sound good

ntjp

That is a problem. I am short. Bike shops never have my size, so I can't get a meaningful test ride.

I fancy di2 ultegra as well, but there is just this gut feeling that if something goes wrong with the software / hardware in the di2 mechanism there is no way i can fix it at the side of the road.

tagaproject6

This gut feeling is not rational. Think of the possible malfunction on the Di2 that can happen and visualize why you think you won't be able to fix anything. Do the same for the mechanical group.

ravenmore

Especially not on a $4k frame. A quick look and from what I can tell at a glance they're still non removeable. If I'm wrong about that someone correct me.

ColinL

I just don't see that happening as Shimano has had Dura Ace Di2 on the market a long while now, and if anything Ultegra will be better since they had the opportunity to learn and further improve.

It has different servos but I think that's mainly going to be a weight issue, not reliability or functionality.

ravenmore

Mechanical groups can break in ways that leave you on the side of the road too. Actually from what I hear Di2 has been super reliable.

bsektzer

The close-up picture of the rear drop outs on the Dogma at CC sure looks to me like there's a removable hanger there.

ravenmore

yep it sure does. If it does then the Pinarello will be more 'exotic'/different. Although if you go with the Pinarello you HAVE to do Campy - anything else would be a sin. Especially if you put Shimano on it. I'm not sure but I think the Giant might be lighter. No idea how the Pinarello rides but the Giant rides amazing. Best riding bike I've been on. I want one but my wallet doesn't agree with that.

Looigi

From a mechanical design perspective (rigidity, compliance, etc..) the squiggly Pin forks are just a gimmick and are a deal breaker, IMO. That leaves Giant.

gmharle

Competitive Cyclist sells a replacement hanger for the Dogma.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/pr...79.1861.1.html

TTULaw

I live in Lubbock, Texas. If you want something other than a specialized, felt, or jamis, you buy without riding. And even if you want a Felt, you are stuck ususally riding a different model or the wrong size. This is just the conundrum with living in a smaller town. I have four bikes and I never rode a single one before purchasing (Lynskey 320, Yeti ASR5C, Jamis Exile 29er, and Felt B16).

Oh and by the way, about to purchase a Pinarello Dogma from Competative Cyclist I've never ridden.

ColinL

CC has an unconditional 60 day return policy, though. That is actually far less risk than buying it from a LBS..

BTW when I bought my Litespeed M1 from them, of course I hadn't ridden it. But I knew about the NQA policy and intended to use it if I was displeased. I rode a CAAD10-5 before and after (other bikes as well, but these were my top 2) and I was happy with the Litespeed.

Trailblazer3

I'd drop for a Dogma any day of the week, and twice on Sunday's if I could. But I'm also biased. Someday I hope to throw my leg over one. And the hangers are in fact replaceable, so don't worry about that. If both frames fit then buy the one you like more.

wkg

Buy the Giant. Pinarellos look dumb.

Biscayne05

Dogma's too gaudy. It's bleh.

I'd take the TCR.

justkeepedaling

Anything but a Dogma

botto 

mid life crisis kicking in?

Commodus

If you prefer the looks of the Dogma, buy it. It's good to have a pretty bike.

I'm sure they both ride super.

ntjp

Bought the Dogma.

botto 

happy 50th!

ntjp

Only 40 Can you have a midlife crisis at 40. Is that why I spent so much money on a bike??? I've been wondering why I did this

botto 

apparently you did.