Steel is real, I'm a gonna git one of these!
12-24-11, 12:04 PM
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I keep thinking about building myself a bike out of S3
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He wants a modern lightweight steel bike and you try and send him to us dinosaurs? ROFL
I do want one of those though... sexy bikes.
I do want one of those though... sexy bikes.
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Do yer self a favor and check out why carbon forks may not be the best option for a steel bike. Ya know, 'for you git hitched to one of them outlaws.
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And why is that? My 2000 LeMond has a carbon fork and I love it! 340 miles on it this month alone as it shares winter duties with my Jake the Snake.
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Steel is real...and comfy.
Steel is real...and comfy.
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12-24-11, 01:44 PM
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unterhausen was a framebuilder at Trek for years.
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Does said carbon fork have a carbon steerer tube? I like to compare freshly picked apples to 10+ year old ones gone to seed. But enough of this witty interplay. This is a current topic being openly discussed by many custom builders, so far be it from me to give the OP insight into it.
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That's not light for the price. It's just light for a steel frame. Nice marketing. I'll pass.
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Does said carbon fork have a carbon steerer tube? I like to compare freshly picked apples to 10+ year old ones gone to seed. But enough of this witty interplay. This is a current topic being openly discussed by many custom builders, so far be it from me to give the OP insight into it.
12-24-11, 02:13 PM
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I think the value here is not that the frame is light, but that it's custom built for the rider. If it also happens to be lighter than whatever the prior bike was then that's icing on the cake. It's not being marketed that way though. Not saying it's good or bad, just making an observation.
And I wasn't being sarcastic when I said "Nice marketing". There's a bias that "steel = heavy" which isn't universally true. So I appreciated that they show this is possible.
And I wasn't being sarcastic when I said "Nice marketing". There's a bias that "steel = heavy" which isn't universally true. So I appreciated that they show this is possible.
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I think the value here is not that the frame is light, but that it's custom built for the rider. If it also happens to be lighter than whatever the prior bike was then that's icing on the cake. It's not being marketed that way though. Not saying it's good or bad, just making an observation.
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My last contentious post, promise. Inside of their web gallery of show bikes there is two easily identified forks that have carbon steerers, Columbo c um RaleighSport. One of which is, your particularly inept brand of questioning no doubt ascertained, the bike touted as being lighter than the Cervelo. It's a real wonder with not much expense spared for top of the line lightweight race inspired products installed. Theorycraft, as you deem it, is jumping out of the shadows with post dated insults. I can't be the only one to see the irony in the local to C&V self proclaimed Raleigh expert taking issue in a thread about a guy doing one better than Cervelo on the day news broke of a pending sale placing them under the same umbrella. News that is not being received favorably.
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There's a lot more to a bike than how much it weighs. What about an R5? R5ca?
I also like how there's no mention as to what makes it better than the R3. Just that it's better. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. . .
I also like how there's no mention as to what makes it better than the R3. Just that it's better. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. . .
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Surgeonstone, you can't discount the fact that this was likely a gentleman your age who would be more attuned to the epoch of steel than some 20 something hipster. Todays tools are not the same ones that you learned on so enjoy the past coming present.
12-24-11, 02:54 PM
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Hand a kid a toy from the 60's and one from today and without a doubt they will connect with the one relevant to their time with no idea why or how come it is so much more intuitive to play with.
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I'm not remotely interested in riding a vintage bike from my youth. Insufficient slope to the top tube. Today's bikes are what I connect with.
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My last contentious post, promise. Inside of their web gallery of show bikes there is two easily identified forks that have carbon steerers, Columbo c um RaleighSport. One of which is, your particularly inept brand of questioning no doubt ascertained, the bike touted as being lighter than the Cervelo. It's a real wonder with not much expense spared for top of the line lightweight race inspired products installed. Theorycraft, as you deem it, is jumping out of the shadows with post dated insults. I can't be the only one to see the irony in the local to C&V self proclaimed Raleigh expert taking issue in a thread about a guy doing one better than Cervelo on the day news broke of a pending sale placing them under the same umbrella. News that is not being received favorably.
Now back to the actual meat of our conversation, all you've said is they have carbon steerers while mentioning steel ones.. FYI if you look at what I said, I never claimed those bikes had steel, just that they were available. So tell me please, what's the big point you're trying to make about steel vs carbon steerers on steel bikes? Or this actually just your opinion due to weight or the exploding argument?